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Posted on: Jun. 08 2002,02:02 |
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Interesting situation;
I'm trying to get CK to calm down and several people are trying to provoke him.
Although I think the How Many thread was more like ribbing.
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jun. 08 2002,02:15 |
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| Quote | Wiley: the government has an advantage in that it is not accountable to shareholders
CK: you say that is an advantage? how so?? |
Because they don’t have to report information on how much money is being spent or where it is going. This gives them an edge in making long term spending decisions because they don’t have to fear that shareholders will not approve the immediate spending, leading to a change in leadership. Corporations are constantly forced to appease the majority shareholders …sometimes without the best interest of the corporation in mind. This is why companies buckle to lobbyists that get to their majority shareholders and fill their minds with the evils that their corporation is doing. You can’t see how this can be a disadvantage? Government agencies need this leeway as the public may not understand the need to fund projects that may not be profitable …the complete opposite to a corporation. School systems for example are not profitable, if a public school system were a corporation the investors would surely back out.
| Quote | Wiley: and has near limitless working capital
CK: certainly, you jest. there's no such thing as a free lunch. |
Did I say it was a free lunch? I said The government has near limitless working capital. This point is well illustrated in times of war when the government funds itself with monies far surpassing any private sector endeavor. Should I dig up the cost of Dessert Storm to compare to the working capital of any Fortune 500 company?
| Quote | Wiley: (Paraphrased by me) Vouchers will not work. If you gave every family in the US a voucher for the cost of public schooling to use toward private schooling, then the cost of private schooling would increase. Private schooling for the poor would be no more of an option then it is today. Simple economics.
CK: too simple. you are wrong there. |
Well shit ….CK says I’m wrong. CK, you got some really poor argumentative strategy here. You present nothing to dispute my economic theory. Maybe you haven’t studied Econ yet, so I will let your pathetic retort slide.
| Quote | CK: Name me ONE government program that has ever outperformed a private program, and I will pay pal you $5.
Wiley: NASA
CK: has nasa outperformed a private company equivalent? no, because there has been none. exactly my point. |
When did you ever make that point? And are you saying that no private company has ever put a rocket into space? Think real hard here …don’t force me to make you look like an ass.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 08 2002,06:14 |
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| Quote | | Because they don’t have to report information on how much money is being spent or where it is going. |
you must be clinton's secretary! down on your knees, bitch!
CK: Name me ONE government program that has ever outperformed a private program, and I will pay pal you $5.
Wiley: NASA
CK: NASA what? What private company has NASA outperformed?
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jun. 08 2002,06:35 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 07 June 2002,22:14) | | Quote | | Because they don’t have to report information on how much money is being spent or where it is going. |
you must be clinton's secretary! down on your knees, bitch! |
 I take that as you not having any argument on that then?
| Quote | CK: Name me ONE government program that has ever outperformed a private program, and I will pay pal you $5.
Wiley: NASA
CK: NASA what? What private company has NASA outperformed? |
 I tried to warn you
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Bozeman
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Posted on: Jun. 08 2002,10:42 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 07 June 2002,14:47) | no, deregulation did not happen.
when did I ever say that people should pay for their own education? never. so stfu about kids not being able to afford private schools. I think the government should still pay for it, just not run it.
| Quote | | Hey! I just used a SPECIFIC EXAPMLE! BOOYA! |
*sigh* i am getting sick and tired of you guys taking what I say out of context. When you make a general statement that "all government employees are nice and work hard", specific examples don't mean jack shit. I could care less whether your cousin bob or my mom (whom does work for the government) is hard working and loves their job. Take a look at a post office, or the DMV, etc, for better examples.
I don't think you can blame the SAT's for being an unfair test to californians when they are a perfectly fair test that gives accurate enough results for everyone else in the country.
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OK, let me get this straight. First, the deregulation that DID happen your'e discounting because the government instituted a price freeze, and put other restrictions on the market. That is bullshit, the fact that there are non-government run companies says at least SOME deregulation happened, just that whiny profiteers don't get to charge outrageous prices. You see, the government doesn't just put out a price freeze to give the compaines the finger, they do it so grandma doesn't die of heat exhaustion during the summer, and so poor families can afford to keep their refrigerator plugged in. The sites you used to "prove" there's no deregulation also use words like "Bolshie" or phrases like "channeling his inner lenin." Are you sure these sites are fair, unbiased opinions? I'm not.
*SIGH* Private schools cost money. Private schools ALSO don't have to accept everyone who applies to them. What you want is a public school system PAID FOR by the government, but RUN by local school business/companies. You implied that people should pay for their education by saying all schools should be private. This is unfeasible. You are asking th egovernment to pay for something, and have ABSOLUTELY NO SAY IN WHAT THAT THING DOES. I don't think that would work, there would be clashes in what the companies and the government think are "good ideas" in education. It would be an extremely complicated legal mess.
And as for the specific example, that was just there because you said no one would agree with DL that government workers work hard and are proud. Also, let me restate something I said in a previous thread. There are exceptions to every rule. Life is an excersise in exceptions. When someone made that statement, they obviously didn't mean EVERY government worker went to work with a smile on their face and a song in their heart. But you took it out of context. Funny that.
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jun. 08 2002,12:48 |
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| Quote (Bozeman @ 08 June 2002,02:42) | | The sites you used to "prove" there's no deregulation also use words like "Bolshie" or phrases like "channeling his inner lenin." Are you sure these sites are fair, unbiased opinions? I'm not. |
"channeling his inner Lenin" roflmao...
CK : bad sources is worse than no sources at all.
without sources you actually have to think 
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 08 2002,23:47 |
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Wiley, how has NASA outperformed ILS?
bozeman, I guess you tried quoting me out of context, and that didn't work, so you have resorted to quoting my sources out of context? and DSL, you blindly follow without reading the article? for shame.
In case you were wondering, this is exactly the reason why I'm not really motivated to argue here any more. All you guys do is bash and flame and misquote and flame, etc. I've given up trying to reason with you because you are so closed-minded.
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Bozeman
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2002,00:16 |
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| Quote | Whoah! Did we just explain the California power crisis? I think we did.
But that's not how politicians see the matter. Channeling his inner Lenin, Gov. Gray Davis announced, "Never again can we allow out-of-state profiteers to hold Californians hostage."
Actually, the in-state profiteers in the power industry lobbied for that ridiculous "deregulation" bill -- though they're real sorry now. And the law was approved unanimously in the state legislature -- the sort of vote that ought to prompt somebody to follow the paper trail.
Davis' proposed solution has the same bolshie flavor as his blame-laying. He wants to make the state itself a major electricity broker. Of course, he's not going to saddle his bureaucrat buddies with a ban on long-term contracts, and he plans to build a few power plants, too. He's also talking about seizing existing operations: "[I]f I have to use the power of eminent domain to prevent generators from driving consumers into the dark and utilities into bankruptcy -- then that's what I will do."
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This was taken from one of your sources, CK. If I did it right, the examples I saw should be emboldened. If not, there's going to be an "edited by Bozeman" tag on this post.
If I took it out of context, I would enjoy hearing you tell me what it means. And how do you know DL didn't read the article?
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2002,02:52 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 08 June 2002,15:47) | | I've given up trying to reason with you because you are so closed-minded. |
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2002,03:44 |
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I don't understand what you think is wrong with those phrases. The first one was meant as a joke and the second one was referring to the bolshivick party confiscating publicly owned enterprise...
See DSL, you laugh, but you hardly realize what a hypocrite you are. That's why I laugh at you. And that's why I don't take anything you say seriously.
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