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| Quote (Wolfguard @ 10 Mar. 2002,10:11) | Ok, things i have clippings of from the 70s
A man in florida built a fuel system for a 71 caddy. Old V8 500 cid engin. This fuel system was giving the car 75MPG in 1973. This guy was in all the papers and then just shut up. He moved to a Multi Million dollar estate. The money trail lead to mobil oil who bought the system and the guys scilence for 110 million dollars. He will not talk to anyone about this and denies everything. |
WG, nothing personal here but this is exactly the type of statement that makes it hard for me to swallow conspiracy theories. Ok, I know I'm taking my life into my own hands here, but just hear me out. I’ll go through my thought process step by step as I read the statement.
Ok, things I have clippings of from the 70s
First off, can you scan the clippings in for us or let us know where we can find a copy of the article you are mentioning? All conspiracy theories start off with the standard “This friend of mine knew a guy who …” or “It was all over the papers …I don’t remember exactly which ones” or perhaps “I saw this thing unveiled at a small expo …it was small and there wasn’t any press present”. These phrases give some bit of credibility to the existence of crucial evidence without having to produce the evidence in question. Under most circumstances we are led to believe that the conspiracy cover-up is so well masterminded that all written documentation or photographic evidence is no longer in existence.
A man in Florida built a fuel system for a 71 caddy. Old V8 500 cid engine. This fuel system was giving the car 75MPG in 1973.
Lots of specific info here, this looks very credible indeed. We have a Place, a time, and some exact specifications of what is being covered up. The only things we are missing are the things that can be used to research this claim any further. How about the exact town in Florida? Can we get the name of the newspaper/magazine that this info appeared in? Maybe the name of the guy …surely the guy’s name was mentioned in the article about him that touts the marvel of his invention. And was there some kind of independent lab that verified the 75MPG claim?
This guy was in all the papers and then just shut up. He moved to a Multi Million dollar estate.
So were you tracking the story, or was this a follow-up story in the same newspaper/magazine? If you were tracking him then surely you have his name. If this was a follow-up story I would think that the author would go into an entire investigative report …I mean this has Pulitzer written all over it. Nobody followed him after this? Why would you follow him in the first place if it wasn’t a story people would be interested in? Now it’s a whole lot better, why stop there? That’s like a newspaper article that reads, “OJ was found not guilty and moved away never to be heard from again” or “Chandra Levy is missing and she happened to work for Gary Condit” …then just letting the story die there. I don’t buy it.
The money trail leads to Mobil oil who bought the system and the guy’s science for 110 million dollars. He will not talk to anyone about this and denies everything.
Now we’re talking! A money trail …this is the stuff a true conspiracy is made of, somebody has to be turning a profit here. At least you have the name of the people behind the plot; usually it is just “A Secret Government Agency” , “The Oil Companies” or “Big Business”. So we have a name and a year, let’s do a little digging. On to the financial records! Now 110 million to an individual in 1973 had to turn a few heads right? Currently I am doing a search on Bloomberg, Reuters, ILX News, and the entire history of the Wall Street Journal. I will fill you in on my findings during my lunch hour. Any additional information would be helpful …this is your chance to convert a conspiracy skeptic.
Edit: nothing yet ...I'm still searching
Edited by Wiley on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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ic0n0
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Posted on: Mar. 11 2002,19:38 |
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I don’t know what the truth is and I don’t clam to know in regards to the alternative energy debate. It’s a little of both more than likely, some industrial interference and more than likely the technology isn’t as good as we thought and what people are claming. Things are more complex then they seem, it’s not all “evil government in cahoots with evil corporate America” it can’t be, to many things wouldn’t make sense like the rule of law that sill exists, sure some people are influenced by the money and power of these corporations but I refuse to believe that the oil industry is so sinister that it has it’s hands on all this wonderful technology. Not everything is controlled nor can it. CK is right about global warming there is no evidence that it is manmade, no one can know for sure, we just don’t know enough about how this planet operates to assume that. As for the government creating the terrorist attacks it is entirely possible however unlikely considering the evidence the supposed hijackers left behind and bin Ladin’s own words, maybe he is a tool of the CIA but what is he getting out of it? His death?
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Posted on: Mar. 11 2002,20:57 |
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| Quote | | There is more platinum on the earth than neon and we use a hell of a lot of that just in vegas alone |
Platinum on that one ... I was thinking "ooh, credit cards!"
Where's my goddamn teleporter?
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Posted on: Mar. 11 2002,20:57 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 11 Mar. 2002,06:57) | | Quote | | Quote | | oh yeah and it is NOT just taking energy from sea water. you need deuterium (water with hydrogen-1's) and tritium (water with hydrogen-2's, very toxic, decays within a couple years, expensive to make). |
And where does this water come from? |
thats like saying "and where do the materials used to build the space shuttle come from? the ground!"
| Quote | | But there is evidence of localized green house effects over cities. Since most people refuse to tell the difference i put them both in. |
agreed. thats why we have catalytic converters, honda's, and co2 scrubbers. i think we will have 80-100 mpg car engines before we have electric cars wide spread.
| Quote | | There is more platinum on the earth than neon |
wow you're ass must be really loose, cuz that was a big one you just pulled out of there.
as for the battery stuff, the best ones we have are lithium-ions. they are very expensive, and even if you loaded a car up with them you only get about 100 miles. that's in a car that would cost > $35,000. |
the best will be lithium-polymer, because of the flexibility in shape and size that it offers over traditional lithium-ion, the problem right now is just that they need a bit electrolyte added for conductivity at room temperature. (aka lithium-ion polymer)
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A question- If the oil companies developed/boughtout the designs for (miracle technology of your choice), why wouldn't that company choose to develop and market it? If you controlled the rights to something, no one else has it and there's the potential that if developed, a significant percentage of the population may eventualy rely on your sole technology...wouldn't you develop it?
If I were an oil co. and I didn't have to worry about competition, environmental regulations, and having to dig holes in foreign countries that are not always stable... I think I'd maintain the current business and begin to develop my future monopoly. Then again, I'm greedy unlike businessmen.
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BlackFlag
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2002,11:44 |
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Miracle technologies that would give you a monopoly..... hmmmm.... like electricity, or the lightbulb? Radio? TVs? Internal combustion engines? the x86 computer processor?
Owning an idea is dangerous, because someone could always come along with a better idea. Owning an oil field, on the other hand, is a much more safe form of income, so long as the world remains dependant on oil.
So the fuck what if you can develop a car than can run 5,000 miles on a cup of rice. Give the japs 2 years, and they'll have one that can run for 10,000 miles (with or without itellectual property infringement). Get the picture?
Technology=unstable. Ownership of material things=stable.
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2002,14:25 |
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| Quote (Wiley @ 11 Mar. 2002,12:48) | WG, nothing personal here but this is exactly the type of statement that makes it hard for me to swallow conspiracy theories.
Ok, things I have clippings of from the 70s
First off, can you scan the clippings in for us or let us know where we can find a copy of the article you are mentioning? |
Ill head to the <shudder> parents house and grab the scrap book.
edit to add info: It was either on the front page or the front page of a section of the paper. Im pretty sure there is a picture of a guy sitting on the hood of a car. Not sure if its the same guy.
Try trenton times, pretty sure it was a sunday. fall of 73 or 74.
Edited by Wolfguard on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2002,15:03 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 11 Mar. 2002,09:57) | | Quote | | There is more platinum on the earth than neon |
wow you're ass must be really loose, cuz that was a big one you just pulled out of there.
as for the battery stuff, the best ones we have are lithium-ions. they are very expensive, and even if you loaded a car up with them you only get about 100 miles. that's in a car that would cost > $35,000. |
Your right, i was thinking of Xenon and getting Neon again. Sorry
http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Pt/geol.html
http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Xe/geol.html
My bad.
Lion batteries are not good for high discharge. They get real mad and spit magic smoke at you if you try it.
What you would need is NiMh (better Nicad) with a low internal resistance. The best batteries in the NiMh is the sub c cell. its what they sell the most of. What we need is 6v version of the sub c. It should weigh about a pound per Amp Hour (AH).
A string to get to 90V(pulled out of my ass along with neon from yesterday) would weigh 15lbs per AH.
Now, lets say that the typical battery is 3AH
Thats 45lbs of batteries at 90V. thats 3 amps for 1 hour.
ok,lets say that The typical engin/trans/fuel weighs about 800lbs
We can build a Dc Motor with gearing for a car at about 50lbs per wheel.
4 wheels, 200 lbs
Straight swap for rest of weight for batteries would be 13 of the 45 lb strings. so we can with off the shelf parts get a 39AH battery pack. (more or less, im trying to keep things simple for myself here)
Now, you should be able to draw all you need to start the car moving. Once you get it moving the amp draw should be around 5-10 per motor. On the highway you should be able to go for an hour at this rate. You can us regen on the down slopes to get a little more.
So, now i have a smallish (2 door saturn) car that has a range on the highway of about an hour. I did this with batteries i have. Well, the batteries i have a 7.2v and about a 1/2 lb per ah but to make things simple...
Improve the batteries to drop the weight and increase the AH and you extend the range. Make the batteries with a lower internal resistance and they will last longer and not produce as much heat.
95% efficent motors are easy to come by. the better this number the more range you get.
It can be done. Heck, i can get an hour between charges and im not trying hard.
What can someone with a real brain do?
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Wiley
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2002,17:17 |
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| Quote (Wolfguard @ 12 Mar. 2002,06:25) | Ill head to the <shudder> parents house and grab the scrap book.
edit to add info: It was either on the front page or the front page of a section of the paper. Im pretty sure there is a picture of a guy sitting on the hood of a car. Not sure if its the same guy.
Try trenton times, pretty sure it was a sunday. fall of 73 or 74. |
Don't go too much out of your way, I was just trying to get the point across that conspiracy theories are always presented with hearsay that is taken as fact. The "I know a guy who knows a guy who saw the thing" statement is given more credibility then it should be worth. If you could get the article though I would love to research the existence of the thing, sounds like a fun project. I'm trying to find out where I can get some info on past Trenton Times. As long as I don't have to resort to microfiche.
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