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demonk 
The other white meat
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Posted on: May 19 2001,17:09 |
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No, both Galileo and Capernicus said it. Galileo was first, and he was forced by the church to renounce it or else they were going to put him in jail. A while later, Capernicus reserected this idea, and it was accepted a little easier.
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Frosty
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Posted on: May 19 2001,20:03 |
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quote:
Originally posted by Sithiee:
and kolben, the fact remains that where theres a will theres a way. your people pussied out, because i (doubt im the only one) refuse to believe that there was no way for them to help. and it doesnt mater if youre country was surrounded by water, dont you have boats? planes? and about me pussying out in the same situation, your dead wrong. i dont take shit from people, if someone steals something from me, i get it back, if someone does something to me, i get them back. if someone invaded my house, i wouldnt go down without a fight. im sorry if you dont have enough self respect to stand up for yourself, but thats why youre a pussy. DEAL WITH IT.
LOL, oh my god, Sithiee. Okay, we'll go slowly here. People did not pussy out. There was nothing they could do. Your idea of not going down without a fight applying to everyone is moronic, because you seem to think that everyone had a weapon. Guess what. If you put up a fight at all, AT ALL, even if you cussed at one of the soldiers, they pop off one round and you're dead. Or maybe lets say you found a rifle somewhere. Chances are it's WW1 vintage bolt action. So you kill one person, maybe two. That makes no difference. And if you try and say something about how it would stop those two people from doing whatever they did, then i'm going to cyber-slap you, because war = numbers. Two grunts mean SHIT in the grand scheme of things. Evacuation? Yeah, right. Like he said, the country was surrounded and there was nowhere to go. (in the event that the soldiers did want their countrypersons being left behind) Now you don't seem to be real up to date with technology and all, so i'll let you in on a little something -- there wasn't a such thing as a boeing 747 in 1940. What the hell were they supposed to do, jump into some dirgibles and float away? Evacuating an army is not as easy as it sounds. Did you think the Germans were going to just stand around while a bunch of people ran North to get in some boats? Although I haven't researched it, I HIGHLY doubt that the Danish infantry were mechanized in any manner, and even if they were, the Panzer III was extremely effective. And fast. Sithiee, please. Learn a little about strategy, tactics and logistics, then come back and talk military. Don't sit there and say you'd die to kill a German or two in the name of your country, because if you were in that situation, you would've done the same thing they did. Fight until it really is hopeless, then surrender. Even the best men give up.
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damien_s_lucifer
Emperor of Detnet
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Posted on: May 19 2001,21:59 |
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okay, can we get back to the topic at hand??? The whole "Denmark sucks/rules" thing has already been covered.So- George Bush. Let me start with a disclaimer / background information : First, I work for the U.S. Government, specifically Lawrence Berkeley National Labs which is run by the US Department of Energy. I definately consider myself a liberal. I voted for Gore in the last election, and Clinton twice before that. That said, here are some things I don't like about Bush : Recession, recession, recession. This is always a Republican favorite, so it's no surprise to me that Recession is looming again in a lot of people's minds. The figures show that we're not having one and probably won't any time soon. The Federal Reserve bank probably does more to combat recession than "tax relief," but such things don't matter to Dubya. Energy, energy, energy. Dubya is using California's energy crisis to attack one of the Republican's most hated things : the environment. Sure, the situation here in Cali isn't great, but it's not due to environmental laws; it's due to MISMANAGEMENT. Our state has been relying on the fact that we are one of the most energy efficient states with an energy growth rate less than the national average. It's expensive to build power plants here due to high population density, a high cost of land, and the fact that running power lines through mountains (we have a lot of those) costs a lot of money. So the Big Cheese types decided we didn't need more power plants, which unfortunately we do. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE AN ENERGY CRUNCH HERE!!!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TREE HUGGING HIPPIES OR FROGS OR SPOTTED OWLS. IT HAS TO DO WITH BAD MANAGEMENT. Republicans *HATE* environmental laws, because it puts limits on their unfettered greed... and, as Reagan once said, "greed is good." Yeah, right. Nuclear war. Did you notice how you didn't worry about the Chinese until Bush took office? That's because there wasn't anything to worry about. Clinton made a lot of progress in terms of making peace with China. One of the things he did right was HE DIDN'T THREATEN THEM!!!!! He found out what they wanted from us (mostly trade and knowledge) and worked with them. He told them we wanted to trade with them, he told them we would be happy to assist them in establishing the rule of law, he told them that a country with such a long and distinguished history should definately have a place in the global economy, he told them we didn't think much of their record on human rights but that we were willing to work with them and that in the end it was their job to make sure their people were treated fairly... and the Chinese bigwigs loved it, because that is what they want. And why not? The Chinese are well aware of their backwater status in the world culture. What they want, more than anything, is to be recognized for what they are : a country over two thousand years old, rich in culture and knowledge and spirit. They are well aware that their economic system and their style of government doesn't working and needs to change. I've met more than a few businessmen that have come back from China, and they ALL say that what the Chinese really want is knowledge about how to run an economy and a government - and that when an American helps them out, they are VERY greatful!!! But does that matter to Dubya? No. Republicans always need a war somewhere to hold on to power - and hmm, let's see, COMMUNISM is always a good threat, so let's play it up!!!! Hell, we need a space-based missile defense system to make sure the Yellow Menace doesn't nuke us!!! w00tah, Texas rides again! there's more, but I'll stop for now. Discuss.
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CatKnight
Jedi Republican
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Posted on: May 19 2001,23:44 |
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ahahaahahha here we go AGAIN. quote:
Galileo was first, and he was forced by the church to renounce it or else they were going to put him in jail. A while later, Capernicus reserected this idea, and it was accepted a little easier
ahahahhaha......HAHAHAHHA..........no. quote:
It's commonly accepted... but not by me
are you one of those weirdos that thinks the moon landings were just hollywood stunts too? it's basic chemistry what we are doing to the air. quote:
Did you notice how you didn't worry about the Chinese until Bush took office?
BUSH DIDN'T FUCKING CRASH THE PLANE! STOP BLAMING HIM FOR IT! YEESH! and don't be like "well clinton wouldn't have threatened them" because he certainly would have. quote:
apparently that things gonna take till the middle of thiscentury (2500AD)
middle of the century = 2050 (which is the estimate for the decay time of CFC's) not 2500, which would be the middle of the millenium.
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Sithiee
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Posted on: May 20 2001,02:22 |
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Originally posted by Frosty:
blah blah blah stupid stuff
if i had your views on logistics and shit, right now, i wouldnt be half the person i am today. from what you suggest, in middle school, when i was surrounded by 20 guys who wanted to beat me up for no reason, i should have given up, right? even though they were twice the size and could have killed me. right? wrong. the first time, i got my ass kicked. the second time i took one down with me. by the end of the year they were all my bitches. you know why? because i dont take shit. WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY. did you see enemy at the gates? 1 guy took a bolt action rifle and killed 5 others. have you seen stargate? yeah, a lot of their people died, but they won in the end. granted, stargate didnt happen, but thet point is the same. if you want something bad enough, if you have the will to win, then you will. in the above situation, if i had done what denmark did, i would have been picked on all my life, right up until now. if you actually think there are situations that are unwinnable, then that is just sad. no situation is a kobiashi maru.
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) cos if it gets worse I'M gonna get irradiated (and i'm sensitive to the light as it is).