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Sithiee 
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Posted on: May 17 2001,20:46 |
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although it has jack to do with the original argument, about the letting them walk over you shit, its exactly that, shit. theres a nice poem in the holocaust museum (yknow, the think you did jack to prevent) about how not standing up for other people means theres not gonna be anyone to stand up for you when you need them. i would rather die nobly by standing up to hitler than hide like a bitch and say "it wouldnt have done any good anyway".
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demonk
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Posted on: May 18 2001,01:25 |
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There is only wrong problem with your reasoning pg: scientists have found PROOF that there is global warming. Using satelite(sp?) data from around a decade ago and data collected now, they can see a very noticable increase in the level of CO2 in the atmosphear that has been doing nothing but increasing, not fluctuating. And scientists have known for a long time that when you have higher levels of CO2 in the air, such as in a green house, you trap more heat. So, global warming is occuring.
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Sithiee
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Posted on: May 18 2001,02:19 |
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yeah, but you forgot to mention how its natural. everything fluxuates....the world is getting warmer, itll get cooler, and then warmer again. its a godamn sine curve.
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askheaves
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Posted on: May 18 2001,05:13 |
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*sigh*Don't even know where to begin. I suppose the environment. Bush is taking a realist approach to the environment. He knows you can't just clearcut Alaska and carpet drill for oil. Alaska is god damned big. It's not like it's the end of the world to drill there. Some habitats are destroyed, yes... but we destroy more wetland through regular development of houses by a large scale. The arsenic issue: They're studying this issue for 9 years, or whatever, and they come to the conclusion that 5ppm of arsenic has potential to cause cancer in lab rats, or whatever. So, Clinton ON HIS LAST DAY IN OFFICE!!!! puts this rediculous law into effect that in a few years, all water has to be under 5ppm... no matter what the cost, no matter what the source of the Arsenic is. It's not a feasible option. Water would end up costing more than fucking champaigne, and people would start drilling their own wells... and not taking the natural arsenic out. This is what's known as a political landmine... along with the CO2 restrictions, they are put in place so that the new guy has no choice but to repeal them. They aren't based in reality, they aren't founded in facts considering all angles. New studies are being funded to figure out what is the best cost/result situation. GW isn't planting arsenic in your water, and not a thing changed from the day before he lifted the restrictions and after. They were only in effect for like 20 days. Global warming... we're luckily sitting in the most stable climate this earth has ever seen in 4 billion years, if you don't count the times where the whole thing is a molten ball of lava. In the 70's, it was well known that we were spiralling towards an ice age and were all going to freeze to death. So, they needed a reason for it, and man is the easiest scapegoat. Same thing today. The white house is somewhat still up in the air on the energy situation. Bush released an energy plan yesterday which is a combination of supply side solutions and demand side incentives. Tax credits for low energy homes, energy awareness programs, etc. This country has gotten so environmentally nuts that we haven't wanted to touch the supply side of our energy situation. We use more energy than the rest of the world, but we put it to good use. We have outstanding industry and infrastructure. It takes energy to run a nation. When it dries up, we get despirate and we panic. California is our model on this one. They're handling the situation reasonably well. I don't want to get into their power situation (being in Arizona  ), but I'm amuzed how many power plants exist on the western border of Arizona. Pretty easy to build one here That's all I've got. I'm supposed to be working, not arguing. I voted for Bush because Gore is a psycho who would have been horrible for the country, in my humble opinion. Bush isn't the brightest bulb on the tree, but he's smart enough to surround himself by some very bright people, who really are making these decisions.
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Sithiee
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Posted on: May 18 2001,13:01 |
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whoever said CO2 is unnatural, their argument is automatically null and void, because WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK WE BREATHE OUT???? thats right, CO2. and no we arent gonna stop using energy (i dont believe its a waste), because theres no reason anyone should have to live a crappy life because some tree huggers are whining about how all our technology is gonna destroy the world. if you want to know the real solution for getting rid of CO2, its planting more plants. plants take CO2 (this horrible thing that we breath out) and turn it into plain old O. so if youre really paranoid about the CO2 situation, start planting trees and bushes. dont bitch about how we use energy, thats our business, not yours.and even though youre not gonna respond, putting up a four hour fight is still the pussy way out of it. you let him through, and that was the worst thing you could of done. you could have at least retreated your army out to another country where they could help to outfit you with tech that could help you make a real difference. but no. you gave up. simply for that you should all be given swift kicks to the nuts. what your country did was straight up pussying out, and theres no way anyone should be able to respect that. and no, i was completely for the metallica v napster thing, so fuck you.
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Kolben
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Posted on: May 18 2001,14:00 |
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*sigh* CO2 is not toxic, no! CO2 is a common gas in the atmosphere, yes. But you see, my little Sithiee friend. It all works out fine when the balance between CO2 and the other atmospheric gasses is in their natural equilibrium. Then the atmosphere lets about the right amount of energy back into space for us to feel good. Keeping the earth at a nice temperature. But when you burn coal, oil and other stuff in the amount you do in the US, you produce so much CO2 that you mess up the balance. This means that the atmosphere holds on to more energy than it used to therefore heats up the earth. This will create more water, as the poles melt, resulting in a larger exchange of water from the seas to the air, creating more wind, creating more storms making more funny blackouts in the US, so you have to use more energy to keep up you present level. This is just one of the sideeffects other than the damn heat. And god Damn it. It's an almost proven fact that too much CO2 is messing up the atmosphere. The weather people are actually talking about the fact that we might have an iceage just now. But because of the global warming we can't feel it. Well...better dig out the shorts for when the iceage is over. And no I'm gonna respond anyways because you are stupid and can't understand nothing. quote:
you could have at least retreated your army out to another country
Name a place to retreat our army to. Try looking at the map. Geez... The only country connected to Denmark is Germany. We could maybe go to Sweden, but Sweden did the same thing as us, though hitler didn't want Sweden for anything therefore didn't go in there.
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your country did was straight up pussying out
Exactly, and that's how we survived. And I am 100\% certain that you, I and everyone else would have done the same. So don't play the big hero. I didn't rape women in 'nam :P
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and theres no way anyone should be able to respect that.
Well...now you are in charge of what people should and shouldn't respect? I respected you up until this point, but now you're too far out. Have you been smoking?And fuck you too. The Metallica vs Napster wasn't even directed at you. ARG...you take everything so god damn personal. (Don't even bother. I already know your answer to this one. Try to surprise me)
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