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Frosty 
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Posted on: May 20 2001,20:46 |
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Originally posted by Sithiee:
if i had your views on logistics and shit, right now, i wouldnt be half the person i am today. from what you suggest, in middle school, when i was surrounded by 20 guys who wanted to beat me up for no reason, i should have given up, right? even though they were twice the size and could have killed me. right? wrong. the first time, i got my ass kicked. the second time i took one down with me. by the end of the year they were all my bitches. you know why? because i dont take shit. WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY. did you see enemy at the gates? 1 guy took a bolt action rifle and killed 5 others. have you seen stargate? yeah, a lot of their people died, but they won in the end. granted, stargate didnt happen, but thet point is the same. if you want something bad enough, if you have the will to win, then you will. in the above situation, if i had done what denmark did, i would have been picked on all my life, right up until now. if you actually think there are situations that are unwinnable, then that is just sad. no situation is a kobiashi maru.
Your analogy is seriously flawed. This isn't a playground fight we're talking about. And even if it was, you're messed up. For the sake of your mind, we'll just alter your situation. Lets say that these big bully guys didn't want to beat you up. Lets say that they just wanted to be the king of the playground you're on. You don't really care cause you just play hopscotch by yourself or one of your pals, but this guy says that he's going to KILL YOU if you oppose him. You're a scrawny little fuck. If you resist, you're not coming back. There isn't any "the second time." You're gone. Furthermore, you just lost all credibility by giving scenes from movies. REMEMBER IN DIE HARD WHEN BRUCE WILLIS WENT APE AND SHOT UP ALL THOSE DUDES? You can't compare like that pal, SORRY. And if you actually think that you can win any situation, THAT is just sad.
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damien_s_lucifer
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Posted on: May 20 2001,23:00 |
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Originally posted by Trog:
The rest of the world see Clinton & Bush as the same
That's not the impression I'm getting. Clinton seems to be pretty well liked except in his own country, and perhaps South Africa. Which makes sense... after all, the Democrats were all for cutting you guys off when apartheid was in plave. I don't think the white Afrikaaners are going to like the Democrats any time soon. quote:
Clinton has *persistently* proven that he has no spine; China has one of the worst human rights records on the planet, and have consistently been given Most Favoured Nation trading status by the USA, because Clinton lacked the courage of his moral convictions.
Um, no. Clinton had the right idea : it's a lot easier to get democracy, capitalism, etc. going in a nation that you're FRIENDS with. Banning trade with China and building space shields etc. may make us feel good, but it's not going to encourage the Chinese to change their ways any time soon. China has been dipping its toes into the waters of capitalism. Clinton was helping them dive in. Here's an interesting tidbit : it's not the Workers, or the Peasants, or the Poor and Oppressed who make the push for democracy. Historically it's been the MIDDLE class, because the middle class has money and other interests to protect and aren't real fond of being told how to do their job or run their business. China has a very small middle class at the moment. To truly get democracy there, there MUST be a substantial middle class... which is why Clinton pushed (and got) MFN status for China. Let 'em get rich first; democracy will follow.
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Sithiee
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Posted on: May 21 2001,00:51 |
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Originally posted by Frosty:
Your analogy is seriously flawed. This isn't a playground fight we're talking about. And even if it was, you're messed up. For the sake of your mind, we'll just alter your situation. Lets say that these big bully guys didn't want to beat you up. Lets say that they just wanted to be the king of the playground you're on. You don't really care cause you just play hopscotch by yourself or one of your pals, but this guy says that he's going to KILL YOU if you oppose him. You're a scrawny little fuck. If you resist, you're not coming back. There isn't any "the second time." You're gone.
ok, see heres the problem with your analogy. if you let them win, then you have nowhere to go. and even in that situation, no matter how little you believe me, i would still fight back. you dont seem to understand, odds dont matter to me, if i feel ive been really wronged, im gonna do something about it. i think everyone should be the same way. did you see dirty work? "dont take shit from no one" everyone should be so enlightened. i think its sad that you let people walk over you. quote:
[B}Furthermore, you just lost all credibility by giving scenes from movies. REMEMBER IN DIE HARD WHEN BRUCE WILLIS WENT APE AND SHOT UP ALL THOSE DUDES? You can't compare like that pal, SORRY. And if you actually think that you can win any situation, THAT is just sad.[/B]
and yeah, i can compare, because my examples were valid. the first one, where vasili takes the bolt action rifle and kills those guys, thats not entirely unrealistic. the second, with stargate, if youve seen the movie, youd understand (i dont know if you have.) the entire civilization was ra's bitch, because his guards had those weapons. and for a long time they were too scared to stand up to them, and then they fought back. yes, a lot of their people died, but they still won. this is my point. they didnt take shit from them, because they were willing to die rather than take shit from ra. in your example, your just being an idiot. yes, i suppose technically those situations could happen. but thats a purely action movie. both movies i cited were not, because they werent completely unrealistic. you can take it in the ass from bullies all you want, and maybe you like that, but i personally dont like taking it in the ass, so when people give me shit, i hand it right back. its called standing up for myself. something you apparently dont understand.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: May 21 2001,02:14 |
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viva la resistance! 
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Kolben
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Posted on: May 21 2001,06:36 |
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No comments to you Sithiee other than you're being a lam0r right now and your head is seriously fucked up, when you can't accept that everybody's not like you. And yes, we know how to stand up for ourselves, and we are doing it. But any human being just a little bit intelligent, knows where to set a line between standing up for one self and being stupid. A line you FAIL to to see.
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The rest of the world see Clinton & Bush as the same
Thats not true. In most of Europe, we atcually liked Clinton as a president. In many oppinions over here, he was one of the best presidents you've had recently. The reason why some people didn't like him, was that he was president of the US. That job makes people hate you for no reason at all. I think he handled international situations very well. Bush is failing here. Brutally failing, and I wouldn't be surprised if he pissed so many people off, that they'd start shooting at you. But Clinton had a bad reputation in the US because of the thing with Monica. He was stupid to lie about it, but there was pressure from everywhere. I think most people would have done the same. To say he was spineless might be true. But that only made him take fewer chances. He played it safe all the way, and that's a thing we like when leaders do over here. And if you want us to be nice to you, you'll have to be the same to us. That's what Bush is failing to understand, and that's going to get him in trouble. He allready thinks, that he owns the world and the people who is in it. I guess
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Kolben
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Posted on: May 21 2001,08:49 |
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This may sound a little agitated...Are you saying that people have to be like MLK if they are not pussies? Then there's only very few people that wasn't. And why the hell aren't you out fighting for some rights getting yourself killed? Uhm...because you are a fucking pussy...! And yes he was stupid! He was a fucking nut, risking his and his familys life. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect him for it. The man was a hero... Try do understand this. You, Sithiee are fucking annoying. In my oppinion you are worse than the lamers around spamming shit in forums, because you stick to lame discussions, about stuff noone gives a shit about, while pissing people off. And you do not only stick to them. You say that no one should respect a person if you don't respect them (WTF...who do you think you are?). You must be the stupidest person alive. It was a mistake that you ever learned to write. Let me give you a hint: You are NOT a God. Please go away Sithiee. PLEEEEEAAAASE. Stop this discussion. There's NOTHING IN THE WHOLE WORLD that can compare with WW2, so just shut up. You trying to convince people otherwise just makes you look dumber. What Denmark did was the ONLY thing to do, if we wanted the danish people to survive. This is basic nature, and if you don't get it, then I see little or no hope for you in your life. Trying to win a discussion, where you know nothing about the background is just plain dumb. But anyways...nice to meet you (NOT), and please leave me alone from now on. Do you get it this time? Your input is not important to me. Now that I do not respect you at all, I can't ever trust your words, and you can't ever say anything that I can use. You could live your life for 100 years or die this second, and I wouldn't even care if you'd just stfu. Go to hell...
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no everythings going to be alright ...pfft bloody engineers had one too many P.S.I's up their ass