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Chrissy 
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Posted on: Jul. 12 2002,23:12 |
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I feel like I am defending myself- and so be it!
You missed my point kuru- my point was that I have the RIGHT to hate this country if I want and thats what patriotisim is--the ablitity to use my rights as an American not just waving around a flag and saying I love this country. I dont hate America- there are some serious problems in this place --- You assumed that I hate America all I said is that its my right to hate it if I want to and to still live here. The attitude that I should "love it or leave it" makes me sick.
As far as what I am doing to change this country--- Im dont just sit idlely by while things happen to it. Im an involved citizen but my involvement in things does not need to justify my patriotism...or vice versa-- nor do I need to explain myself to anyone-- another great RIGHT of this country is my right to privacy...
Edited by Chrissy on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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L'absence est à l'amour ce qu'est au feu le vent; Il éteint le petit, il allume le grand.
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Darth Liberus
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Welcome back, CK.
<voice of experience>
I wasn't attacking you, I was poking fun at the Archie Bunker crowd.
chrissy, if you're going to be a good liberal - a noble cause, and one which I highly recommend, as I hope my nickname shows - you have to lighten up a bit. Otherwise people won't listen to you... in fact they'll tend to react the opposite way just to spite you
</voice of experience>
Now then.
What's interesting to me is that we have absolutely NO representation of the Florida DMV's side of things, and yet we're all too happy to use it as an excuse to engage in one of our favorite pasttimes, bashing foreigners.
Odds are that the DMV figured out that this bitch and her lawyer dogs were going to push this thing as far as they possibly could, forcing the State to defend itself. They would probably win in the end, but in the meantime this bitch would have wasted millions of dollars of taxpayer money and made a lot of progress towards making the State and the DMV look like the Big Bad Evil Anti-Religious Monolith... makes me wonder if Ralph Reed had his hands in it somehow.
Anyway, they figure that the chances of someone else going into furious attack-dog mode over this issue are slim to none...
So instead of fighting they said "fine, fuck you, wear your goddamn veil thingy and stfu kthx." Presto! They don't have to change their policy (and nothing has shown me that they did), but by making an exception the stupid bitch has no more case and isn't even interesting to the media except as someone to laugh at.
This kind of behavior is by no means limited to Muslims, foreigners, or women. Egotistical control freaks come from all walks of life, and everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame.
Now, if they changed their POLICY because of it, that's a slightly different story... but it reflects more on the incompetence of the Florida DMV than on the behavior of foreigners.
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Brief note on the patriotism issue. Personally, I don't care much about The Flag. I never was much into symbolism or pep rallies. I love what America is supposed to stand for - freedom, independence, purple mountains majesty and golden waves of grain - but we've fallen short of the mark an awful lot lately. A lot of people know this, I guess, and they hope that by waving flags and shouting "under God" we're going to magically become a country that most of us can be proud of again.
It doesn't work that way. We need to start living up to the high standards we set for ourselves, and that's going to require a lot of people to swallow some very bitter pills.
One of those is that there is no one right way to be an American, and there never has been. Our country is built on the notion that a bunch of people with wildly differing beliefs can agree on a few basic ones and argue about the rest and still get along fairly well... "Honor Diversity" is not a new hippie bumper-sticker fad. We've always been about that, or at least tried to strive for it.
But since 9/11 we seem to be eating ourselves alive...
Edited by Darth Liberus on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Necromancer
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Posted on: Jul. 12 2002,23:57 |
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i enforce my rights as a british citizen to say i hate america too 
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There'll be time for explanations later... and hopefully, some sex
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demonk
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Posted on: Jul. 13 2002,00:20 |
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I knew there was a reason we shouldn't have bailed out Britian in WWII: all the Brits!
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TheTaxMan
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To say the least, that was a nauseating read...
| Quote | Posted by WG, some time in the past:
This Public Service Announcement is provided by WRC in conjunction with a concerned AMERICAN traveler. To receive further updated timely information please e-mail us at E-mail us at mailto:tenmenupfront@yahoo.com?SUBJECT=MoreInfo Please feel free to pass this on the other AMERICANS.
This may be the most important email you ever read.
At first, I thought it was embarrassing when a fellow airline passenger stood up and asked for other American men to join him in the front of the airplane. Maybe it was because I was with my family, I’m not sure why, but I didn’t get up.
Only two guys went up to him. But he persisted. With help from the attendant he got ten men to sit in the aisle seats of the first five rows behind first class. I can’t say they looked like a pro football team but when they all shook hands something happened in that plane – something between those guys and something we all felt. We all became part of it.
When people had to go up front to the washroom two of the guys escorted them. Only polite words were spoken.
Then I realized what that something was. I realized I felt almost as safe flying as before 9/11 – I’m sure everybody felt it. And even though I didn’t volunteer, I switched to the aisle seat and I was ready behind those guys. We were back in control.
When we touched down, people applauded not just their safe arrival, they applauded those ten guys. As we were leaving I saw more handshakes upfront. I wanted to thank that man who stood up and took charge. But he and the other guys were long gone by the time I got my family out of the plane.
Maybe I’m writing this and the TEN-MEN Upfront document below because I didn’t get to shake that man’s hand, or maybe because I was afraid to volunteer to sit with those guys. But it’s past time for regrets. It’s time for action.
So I ask you to stand up. I ask you to volunteer. I ask you to forward this email to everyone you know who travels by plane or bus or train. And ask them to forward it until, on every train, bus, and train, there are TEN MEN Upfront.
TEN-MEN Up-front Hijack-Proofing For Airlines, Buses, Trains
T – Take leadership. Tell attendant or driver you will organize “Ten men up-front (behind First Class) for added security.” (If request denied, ask to sit in front isle seat, organize men nearby.)
E – Enlist ten (20 if two isles) able-bodied men to sit up-front for added security.
N – Need American, British, or Hispanic accent.
M – Make a NO-PASS ZONE by requesting isle seats in first five rows behind First Class (or front).
E – Escort passengers in and out of the NO-PASS ZONE with two men.
N – Neck and eyes: Use car key sticking out of fist knuckles, side of hand, or fingernails to attack neck and eyes of terrorist. When down, push your knee in his neck. Use pillows as shields.
Again, please forward this email to everyone you know who travels by plane, train, or bus. We all have a role to play.
Signed,
A fellow passenger.
So, I'll quote someone else online, this response is fantabulous. Read on!
T - Take leadership. Remind everyone that you were Captain of the high school football team back in '64. Tell the attendant or driver you will organize “Ten men up-front (behind First Class) for added security.” When your request is denied and the pilot or driver threatens to have you arrested, call him a faggot and talk about "the good ol' days." Mention John Wayne and/or Ike Eisenhower.
E - Enlist 10 other "big penised" men like yourself. Be sure to check penis length - MUST BE 12" MINIMUM OR NO TEN MEN UP FRONT HONOR FOR YOU. Conduct "Ten Men Up Front" operation anyway, despite legal threats.
N - Need American, British, or Hispanic accent. In other words, need to not be one of them fucking sandniggers.
M - Make a NO PASS zone and violate FAA law. Harass every passenger that tries to use the bathroom. Put picture of Hitler up on cabin wall. Sieg heil.
O - Order the pilot to land near Graceland for a quick tour. Purchase Elvis plate, number 24 of a limited edition of 250,000.
R - Radio silence. NO TALKING amongst the passengers to ensure no terrorist plots develop. Only "10 Men Up Front With Big Penises" may talk.
O - Obturate freedom of religion.
N - Now that you have decorum (and all the strong, American brethren up front were they belong), herd all them colored folk to the back of the Airbus.
S – Smile. Remember that with each child you make cry, you put another stitch into the American dream.
It just goes to show there's boundless retardedness in some people which is especially drawn out when they need to latch on to something in a time of crisis.
Th-th th-th th-th th-that's all folks! |
So fitting...
As for the idiot that wrote the thing:
The writer may actually have had a decent point having to do with regulations and laws. However, like a fuckwit, he decided to say things like "good christian values" and "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE." The biggest problem with the country isn't the immigrants, it's the idiot good 'ol boys that think this is 1840. Repeat after me: We do not live in the Stone Age. The woman probably should have taken the veil off or not got a driver's lisence but for none of the listed reasons.
The only thing that was written in the editorial was, "I'm a hardy christian and everyone should bow down to me since there are more of my people than your people." The country was founded by the minority.
In closing, you stupid fucking good 'ol boys are what is holding the country back.
Oh, and it doesn't suprise me at all that this came out of Tampa. Land of the 1'st amendment ignoring and home of the attorneys that make plea bargains with sex offenders.
Edited by TheTaxMan on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Four billion years of evolution and this is all we have to show for it?
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Beldurin
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Strangely, I hear people arguing one thing on one post and another thing in another (and pardon if this doesn't make sense, but I'm doped up on pain killers).
Chrissy: you defend affirmative action, then vehemently quote the bill of rights saying "all men are created equal."
If we truly promote equality, then NO ONE should receive preferential treatment. Not the majority, not minorities.
Therefore, affirmative action is wrong.
I'm tired of hearing about reparations and such.
I never "held" anyone "down." If my ancestors were slavers (and I don't think that they were, but I'm not sure), that was thier mistake, not mine.
As for the language thing, if you want to become a productive member of society, then you should learn the language of that society. I agree that the gov't wastes far too much money on multiligual printings and schools waste too much money on education programs in different languages.
Don't get me wrong, ESL and dual-language instruction to transition students is fine, but teaching in another language the entire time doesn't help the students, it harms them.
People wonder why poor hispanics are stuck in a cycle of poverty. If they can't speak english, then they can't realistically hope to advance socioeconomically.
Basically, the radicals on both sides are wrong, conservative or liberal. The moderates are the only ones who can ever really hope to accomplish anything.
I've now lost my train of thought and feel the need to either vomit, pass out, or both. later
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If someone's ungrateful and you tell him he's ungrateful, okay, you've called him a name.
You haven't solved anything.
-- zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance
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Dysorderia
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| Quote (Wolfguard @ 12 July 2002,12:30) | After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a
Muslim woman have her picture on her drivers license with her face
covered, one American has had enough.
This is an Editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa
Newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he?
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this
nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their
culture.
Since the terrorist attacks on September 11, we have experienced a
surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from
the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began
complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.
I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is
seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost
entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our
country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of
American being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our
sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own
culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This
culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials and
victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any
other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn
the language!
"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian,
right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men
and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented.
It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your
new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend
you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move
to another part of this planet.
We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our
land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right
to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But
once you are done complaining, whining, and groping about our flag, our pledge, our
national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one
other great American freedom...
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE! |
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Dysorderia
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| Quote (Chrissy @ 12 July 2002,16:39) | Patrotism makes me puke-- and my sister and brother-in-law are both in the Army. Let me ask you something...did you people take out the american flags when they beat the crap out of Rodney King or shot Amadiou Diallo or sodomized Abner Louima? Does anyone give a shit that every day your basic civil liberties are eroded by the very ideals you people put out your flags to defend? You are supposed to be able to live without fear or retribution by politicians who seek to destroy your indivdualizm...we don't need some terrorist to destroy our basic freedoms and our lives we are doing that ourselves...think about it...
I refuse to put out an American flag and kowtow to this country's obvious hypocricy. we are supposed to stand for freedom and liberty but we chastize anyone who wont put out a flag or sing the national anthem-- or worse yet refuse to say the pledge of allegience. Where in MY FREEDOM TO DO WHAT I WANT? to be liberal or communist- to be jewish, christian or muslim to be anything...where is my freedom to refuse to say the pledge, to burn the damn flag or to speak my mind even when no one agrees with me?
Patrotism is another excuse for opression of the unpopular thought---going agaisnt the grain...we stopped appreciating peoples individualism and started profiling them instead....
Yeah thats right Welcome to America- the land of Hypocrites and Oppression!
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Amen to that, Crissy
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Dysorderia
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| Quote (forumwhore @ 13 July 2002,01:26) | you hate where my parents grew up.
and what do you get out of tha?
Is it worth it?
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for fuck's sake, stop posting so many damned large images FW.
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TheTaxMan
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As FW hijacks another thread...
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