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Posted on: Mar. 26 2002,19:09 |
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http://www.puce.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=588
I didn't feel like typing the whole damn thing out.
My point is that the same thing is happening in America and no one notices it because the fucking press doesn't cover controversial topics AT ALL. I mean, nobody heard about the arabs that were detained in FL just because of thier ethninticity (I know I didn't spell that right).
Or how the cops of all people actually had a conscience in OR and didn't spy on/arrest arabic peoples because of thier ethnic background. Like I said in the other thread...its goin down. Which side will you be on?
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... move to canada? 
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Posted on: Mar. 26 2002,19:32 |
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I don't think that there will be any running from this.
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| Quote (DELUDED_BIPED @ 26 Mar. 2002,11:09) | | My point is that the same thing is happening in America and no one notices it because the fucking press doesn't cover controversial topics AT ALL.......blah blah blah |
Item 1: You scoffed at the "human rights safeguards". Why? Have you read the text of the law that India passed? Do you know the details? Or are you just allowing yourself to be swayed by a news article that gives only a partial picture?
Item 2: Your quote above implies that the US has passed laws that violate the Bill of Rights. If so, which ones? Give me proof here, and tell me why our system of Checks and Balances won't rectify the problem.
Item 3: What do you mean the papers don't like controversy? That's like saying a fish doesn't like water! Journalists thrive on stories like that, especially if they are human rights violation stories!
You'll have to come up with some better evidence than this heresay before you convince me of anything.
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Posted on: Mar. 26 2002,19:54 |
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Dude, I just gave you a topic. If you don't believe me, then research it yourself. Look at some indie news then draw conclusions. I could give a fuck if you believe me or not. Hot topics for our press is Bill clinton getting his knob gobbled, [SARCASM]I guess nothing is more extreme than that.{/SARCASM]
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The Prevention of Terrorism bill allows police to detain suspects for questioning for three months without bringing charges against them, and an additional three months with approval from a special court. The bill also says that anyone suspected of giving money, shelter, transportation or other support to terrorists could be tried on terrorism charges.
This paragraph alone is a civil rights violation.
The legislation was passed by the Lok Sabha, where the government has a majority. But the upper house, dominated by Congress, rejected it. A bill must pass both houses before it goes to the president.
To break the deadlock, Vajpayee called the joint session, where his alliance of parties has a comfortable majority.
This bill wouldn't even pass with out a joint session where the presidents party had a MAJORITY. Checks and balances have broken down in India, what makes you think they wouldn't here. This is clear manipulation of congress and the house.
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First off: you started this topic, you are treating it as fact, therefore it is up to you to prove your stance.
| Quote | | The Prevention of Terrorism bill allows police to detain suspects for questioning for three months without bringing charges against them, and an additional three months with approval from a special court. The bill also says that anyone suspected of giving money, shelter, transportation or other support to terrorists could be tried on terrorism charges. |
This paragraph alone is an example of a reporter's interpretation of the cliff notes of what may or may not be the legal text of the law. It proves nothing.
| Quote | | Checks and balances have broken down in India, what makes you think they wouldn't here. This is clear manipulation of congress and the house. |
News flash: India's government is different from US's government. Similar, but different. Do you even know how this government's system of checks and balances work? Do you need a refresher course? Besides, nothing has broken down in India yet, it just hasn't had time to run its course.
edit: i hate ubb code.
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What the fuck do you mean interpretation? I am not understanding how the hell you can say "Three months without trial" anyother fuckin way.
I am well aware of the difference between governments...but it STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH 2 DIFFERENT BRANCHES.
He called a joint session so his own party would have an advantage...can you honestly not see that?
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Posted on: Mar. 26 2002,22:51 |
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| Quote | | What the fuck do you mean interpretation? I am not understanding how the hell you can say "Three months without trial" anyother fuckin way. |
Issues like this bill usually involve some fine print. The person who wrote this could easily be leaving out details. It would be better to find out from a more primary source perhaps? Here in America we have something called due process. If they don't have that in India, well then too bad, that's how it is.
| Quote | I am well aware of the difference between governments...but it STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH 2 DIFFERENT BRANCHES.
He called a joint session so his own party would have an advantage...can you honestly not see that? |
Umm.... So what? Thats like saying that our congress isn't fair because theres a majority of one party over the other. That's the way it works! And if the government in India really is that bad, then I have one more reason to stay here.
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The reporter could also just as easily and factually said that:
"With sufficient evidence for a terrorism arrest, a suspect can be held for three months while an investigation into terrorist activities continues. In order to secure public safety, a special court order can be issued to hold the suspect for an additional three months. Those who aid terrorists will be subject to the same laws.
The president has called a joint session of government to allow both houses to address the matter. It previously passed one house and failed in the other house in separate sessions."
Just as factual, but not spun the same way.
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