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Actually when I said survival of the fittest I meant just that. I think we should bring back and make popular those big metal playgrounds. I think kids should be encouraged to swim in the really nasty, dirty river. I think that anything that has been deemed un-safe for kids should be mainstream so that a kid would have to be either smart enough not to play with the thing or strong enough to survive it. As for medicine I think it should be given to everyone. I mean the strength of you imune system does not at all designate your ability to be useful. Also if we start just rellying on imune systems and stop medicine we will be wiped out. Some would say "well they couldn't survive it so they're not fit to live", but that's faulty logic because we could have survived it if we used our brains.

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Ok, I promise this rant will be shorter, since there was less material to respond too.
Also, I only really have 2 things that I want to respond to.

First, and on topic, survival of the fittest depends on reproduction, and the survival and reproductive viability of the offspring. By this reasoning, poor people who have tons of kids are probably more 'fit' than rich people with no kids. The way in richness affects your fitness today can be seen in rich old men who score 20 something super models. In this way, they are able to propagate themselves, and it is their wealth that makes them more fit. One can also examine the Darwinian success of various religions. Catholicism, although rather against Darwin, proves his theories quite well. Since Catholics do not believe in contraception, they tend to have more children. More children is a sign of fitness, so Catholicism is much more fit by Darwin's standards than say, an Atheistic faith that allows for contraception and abortion. Gays, also, are contradictions to Darwin. Without the ability to reproduce, they should die out. I dont know if any of you have heard of them before, but the Shaker faith was similar to this. They didnt believe in converting people to their faith, so they died out. The gays, in choosing their sexual preference, have ruled out reproduction, and so have in effect made their survival rate zero. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against gays, I'm just saying their sexual preference is not viable in the long run, barring some technological advancements. Maybe in the future, we will have technology to implant DNA from sperm into an egg, have the egg be fertilized by sperm, and then gays may have the ability to pass down their genes. One thing about today's society is that attraction is still based upon traits that were useful in hunter-gatherer society, ie. strength, for men, and ability to nurture young well, for women. Today, these are less necessary, with robots working in factories, and tractors working on farms, and with all the advancements in baby care technology. What this means is that what people are attracted to in the opposite sex, and are more likely to reproduce with, might be someone who does not necessarily provide anything useful to the gene pool. Their contribution would have been invaluable if we were still cavemen, but we're not. Thats it on the topic of natural selection for me.

2. The Matrix, specifically Agent Smith's condemnation of humankind. This was one freaky speech. It raises all sorts of questions, the same sort of questions raised by social Darwinism. Does might really make right? Because they are better able to survive, does that mean they should? It really messes with your head. Personally, I'm not sure whether I agree with the Agents or not. They have a point. Maybe the machines are an evolution of humankind. On the flip side, well, I don't really know how to put this. Basically, do we really want such a subsisting entity to be in control of the planet. Based on the limited footage of the machines civilization, it seems all they do is make energy so they can remain operating. One could argue that that is what we humans do, grow food to remain alive, but I disagree. I was going to argue that we do more, but in fact all we do is produce more people to grow food, better ways to grow food, and if its not food we are producing, its other things to allow us to subsist with less effort.

Ok, off topic time - Andromeda Strain. I think this kind of relates to the whole idea I just talked about with the Matrix. A big question in this book is 'What defines life?' The characters couldn't define it, and I'd like to know if anyone here would like to take a shot at it.

Well, it wasn't supposed to be long, I apologize.

This thread has allowed me to talk about all the things I've never had the impetus to discuss with any of my friends for fear of being considered loony, thanks!

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Ok, i swear on all that I hold sacred that this will be actually short. I forgot to include my email address, slicer@z.com. That is all.
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Life isn't that hard to define, I think. Actually the definition of life is what the individual being thinks life is. It's a bit different from mind to mind I guess, but here's my version:

Life is the description of a being that has the ability to feed and reproduce itself and it's way of feeding and reproducing.

I don't think I can describe it more directly. This means that the machines from the matrix are life...

You should all go see some episodes of Star Trek next generation. The question is asked many times in many different ways, and have very good attempts to answer it. Look at Data for instance. Is it life? I wouldn't think so, because it hasn't got a scheme for reproducing. But if it was able to build a close copy itself, I guess it would be life.

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Well, at least we've moved on past the "I worship Hitler and think he was a great guy" posts...

The AIs in the Matrix were interesting, and I wish they would have shown more of it. I have the DVD and on it there are some comments about how that entire scene with Agent Smith's speech was almost entirely deleted from the movie.

What defines life is not nearly as important as what defines a being as sentient.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 02 2000,22:07 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

umm.. why dont we just start holding "lotterys" eH?.. like in that "sliders" episode...

start having ATMs that give people as much money as they want, but the more you get, the better chance you have at winning ther lottery (getting killed). wouldnt that help discourage greed a little?

(plus eventually, if one was held per city/ per week or something like that, might help with the pop. also..) just a thought.

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Wipe them out...all of them.

Sounds like a plan to me.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 03 2000,06:51 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

OK, someone want to define sentience then?
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Sentience is the property of being both self aware and being able to reason.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 03 2000,11:47 Skip to the previous post in this topic.  Ignore posts   QUOTE

Well, seems to me that sentience was just as easy, if not easier. But what do I know, my brain was just fried taking SATs.
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