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Yay!!! a SANE person in this thread! Ok I agree totally. Also it's been proven that the more free a country is (within boundries) the more succsessful it is in war, commerce, etc. Why did we beat the germans in WW2? because we had better technology (in the end). Why did we have better technology? Because making chaos in to a rational system was what the nazi's were about, and thus mathematics was their most tresured science. When a new mathematician wanted to tear down math and start all over again, he (I say he because all mathematicians were) wasn't allowed, thus there was no progress.

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But no country can long last without a revolution. Case and point is the USA. We're about due for a major upheaval in this country, we are on a trend towards socialism with all our inane welfare programs, and many people are paying over a third of their wages in taxes. Without some sort of revolution, it isn't a long step to imagine a day when you will need to have a license to buy food, and goods will be "Equally distributed." A decent government is one that permits people freedom with responsibility, and doesn't require more than a 1/10th of your wages to support. A socialist government fails because it takes responsibility from the masses, and without responsibility there is no reason for anyone to put more than minimal effort into their existence. (If I get the same amount of food and shelter for doing a lousy job as I get for doing a great job, I am likely to do a lousy job.)

America at the beginning was one of the best governments ever. But all the endless political arguments and misinterpretations have rendered the Constitution and the base of the country into a piece of useless paper, and the country is now not in much better shape.

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Yes. That's the crux of it. Large scale killings seem necessary to preserve our species, but the change necessary to put this into practise would make society a less pleasant place to be.

For the race to become something.. harder..
Or for the race to become nothing.

My choice is the former. Yours is the latter.

So be it.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 01 2000,11:28 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
Im thinking the reason the gov is so into gun controll is that they know that the last time the goverment of the country changed hands it was done with blood and bullets. If they can controll the guns they have less worries about their ability to controll.
I could go one step farther with this and say the gov is aranging events to make gun controll look like a good idea but that would make me look paranoid. (the computer is your friend, trust the computer)
/paranoid rant
All i can say is that is what i would do to get the populace to think guns are to bad to be in the hands of average people. Cause a few incidents that the press will not let go for years like a school shooting. have a wacko shoot at the white house from across the street... These things make people want the goverment to restrict guns, and that makes the gov happy.
/end paranoid rant
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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 01 2000,11:47 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
You're probably right, Wolfguard. But gun control hurts people more than it helps. It takes responsibility away from the individual and puts the government as the one to make choices. More government control means less freedom for you and me which is not the way of good government.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 01 2000,11:50 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
You are most defintely paranoid, and how can you say that the govt "arranged" the school shootings. The states is meant to be civilised and yet these things still kep going on, here in UK - it happens once and practicaly all guns are banned (Best bit about being a cilivian undergrad at an Army College these days - we get to use the range with the officers).

Gun Control is a good thing, though it is the person who kills not the gun itself.

Wouldn't it be more appropiate to bring in more severe punishments in - making people responsible for their own actions again(unlike today), you rape so you die, you murder you die, commit large scale fraud you die etc... Its more acceptable to the public, deters crime thus making a better society and reduces prison numbers and costs.
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Gun control is not good, any type of government control over the people is not good. If you think otherwise, you have most likely been brainwashed by the government and the press's propaganda. But it would be good to have much stiffer penalties for crimes, such as first time murder you get the death penalty caried out within 6 months of conviction, and armed robbery you get life imprisonment, rape you get the death penalty no questions asked. Stiffer penalties for crimes and people who carry guns for defense is likely to decrease crime rates and make society on the whole safer. I saw some statistics once that supported my position, but I don't recall where.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 01 2000,12:52 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
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I am in no way shape or form in favor of gun controll by the goverment. If they have guns i want them too.

Kuros.
I never said the gov did it, i said thats what i would do if i wanted it done.

I am for the death penalty for violent crimes. if you kill someone you are dead, end of line.
after they are dead we should harvest their ogans and get some use out of them.

Gun controll is the ability to hit your target while your diving for cover. Now that's controll

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Personally I believe that capitol punishment hasn't really been a good way to deter criminals. Case in point: Hundreds of years ago in Great Britain, the penalty for pickpocketing was a public hanging. Those hangings drew large crowds which encouraged more pickpocketing.

The other thing to consider is justice. Whether or not the person is guilty. I don't remember the quote, but it is something along the order of "It's better to let 100 guilty people go free than have 1 innocent person be executed."

More food for thought.

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im thinking a 1\% error rate is not a bad thing when it comes to getting dirtbags off the streets and in the ground where they belong. We are talking rape and murder here not picking pockets. if i let a 100 guilty people go and 100 inocent people die because of this im thinking the one inocent that dies with the 100 guilty(well 99 guilty) is a fair exchange. And yes i would be saying the same thing if i was in the shoes of the inocent guy going to the chair. If my death will save 100 people then im willing to go. Made this choice in Panama in 89 and just happened to live through it. My actions did endanger my life but did save the lives of others.

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