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forumwhore 
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,04:27 |
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They fixed the Nazis and the Japanese for starters.
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,04:44 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 15 July 2002,20:24) | | uh, so tell me again, what did they fix? |
You see ...once upon a time there were many people who would suck the smoke from burning leaves into their lungs and then complain that they felt yucky. They would want money from the people that sold them the leaves that they lit on fire because they felt like it was the leaf sellers fault that they now were feeling yucky. More and more people wanted to get money from the leaf selling people and the rest of the people ended up having to pay the costs of getting this money. Soon the government people saw a problem and stepped in and and decided that the leaf selling people should give money to all the people that were feeling yucky but put a message on their leaves that told people they will feel yucky too if they sucked in any more leaf smoke ...and if they did then they can't ask the leaf selling people for any more money from now on. The problem was solved. And the leaf sellers and the leaf smoke suckers lived happily ever after.
....until there were stuipd Truth.com commercials ...but that's another story
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forumwhore
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,04:53 |
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Now if they would just do that with pot....
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,06:03 |
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| Quote (forumwhore @ 15 July 2002,20:53) | | Now if they would just do that with pot.... |
Didn't we already do that topic? I think we decided that it's not worth the money that would need to be spent to develop, regulate and enforce a taxable pot economy ...and the ATF people didn't want to change their name to PATF.
Besides, upper middle class white people aren't dying from pot so it's not really a problem that we should concern ourselves with at this juncture. 
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,06:08 |
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so, uh, what did they fix? people still smoke, the cigarette companies already lost billions, it seems like a lose-lose situation to me...
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,12:25 |
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CK's reasoning, apparently, is that if the problem isn't 100% completely fixed then it's no help at all.
some problems are intractable. that doesn't mean you can't reduce their severity.
some things the US government has done:
Taught your ass to read, write and add. If they hadn't done this, 90% of you wouldn't be able to even type "the government can't do anything right" into the computer.
Protected your ass from a lot of nasty people. They can't catch 'em all - nobody ever will - but there's a lot less criminals around than there would be without government. No smart ass "but they wouldn't be criminals if there was no government" replies, please; you know damn well what I mean.
Established and enforced fair trade practices. Not perfectly - business is just too complex to get it PERFECT - but without government involvement, The Market would be absolute chaos. Capitalism is a good economic system with many benefits, but it is not self-regulating. No government involvement in The Market = total chaos.
Built the biggest and best highway system this world has even seen. You hate gasoline taxes right up until you're booming across the middle of the desert on a moonlit night on four lanes of perfectly smooth asphalt stretching out to the horizon for $1.59 a gallon... cheapest gas available anywhere.
Got us to the Moon. This is the l33t3st thing human beings have ever done. I don't want to hear that private companies are the ones who really did it; the program was financed by the government, designed by government engineers, managed by government employees, and flown by military pilots. If only they'd do it again... we could look at our paychecks and feel like we got our money's worth for once. If they're gonna take it anyway they may was well use it for something cool 
edit: does anyone find anything ironic about the fact that a CONSERVATIVE is saying the government sucks ass and needs to go, and a LIBERAL is saying it's cool? It's like a mirror image of the 60's.
Edited by Darth Liberus on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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demonk
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,17:01 |
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Well, the basic premis of all conservatism is that government = evil, so I can see why they would want to get rid of it. But government = people in this country. If you think government = evil, then people = evil. Pretty pessimistic attitude if you ask me.
I know one problem the government fixed. Money. We don't have to exchange our money for different money everytime we cross a state border. That fixed/prevented a LOT of problems. There you go, can't argue that one
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,19:44 |
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oh well DSL turned back into ignorant-prop0ganda-dude again. it was fun while it lasted anyway.
| Quote | | Taught your ass to read, write and add. If they hadn't done this, 90% of you wouldn't be able to even type "the government can't do anything right" into the computer. |
the government hasn't always run the schools, ya know. in fact, I believe people did have the ability to read and write before the united states federal government stepped in and invented written language...
| Quote | | Protected your ass from a lot of nasty people. They can't catch 'em all - nobody ever will - but there's a lot less criminals around than there would be without government. No smart ass "but they wouldn't be criminals if there was no government" replies, please; you know damn well what I mean |
that is something local governments are supposed to do. the federal government is pretty bad at it.
| Quote | | Established and enforced fair trade practices. Not perfectly - business is just too complex to get it PERFECT - but without government involvement, The Market would be absolute chaos. Capitalism is a good economic system with many benefits, but it is not self-regulating. No government involvement in The Market = total chaos. |
the market doesn't need government to be organized. by your statement that capitalism is not self regulating, I conclude that you know NOTHING about economics. Please ignore any statements DSL makes regarding economics from now on.
| Quote | | Built the biggest and best highway system this world has even seen. You hate gasoline taxes right up until you're booming across the middle of the desert on a moonlit night on four lanes of perfectly smooth asphalt stretching out to the horizon for $1.59 a gallon... cheapest gas available anywhere. |
gas is cheap because the people (corporations) won't allow the government to tax it like they do in europe. in other words, gas is still cheap because of LESS government. as for highways, again, that is interstate trade stuff that the government is supposed to do.
[quote[Got us to the Moon. This is the l33t3st thing human beings have ever done. I don't want to hear that private companies are the ones who really did it; the program was financed by the government, designed by government engineers, managed by government employees, and flown by military pilots. If only they'd do it again... we could look at our paychecks and feel like we got our money's worth for once. If they're gonna take it anyway they may was well use it for something cool[/quote]
you have obviously lost track of the topic, because this has nothing to do with fixing social problems. it seems that your knowledge of history doesn't even go back to the previous paragraph...
| Quote | | Well, the basic premis of all conservatism is that government = evil, |
no, that is just a consequence of our belief in individual freedom, which is severely hampered by BIG government.
| Quote | | If you think government = evil, then people = evil. |
um, yeah you didn't really think that through did you.
| Quote | | I know one problem the government fixed. Money. We don't have to exchange our money for different money everytime we cross a state border. That fixed/prevented a LOT of problems. There you go, can't argue that one |
treasuries and mints changers were originally private banks though. i saw it on the history channel
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forumwhore
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,20:16 |
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"name one problem" etc. Your thread was open.
It was not confined to social ills.
You look for trouble, don't you?
I am liberal and I love living here
and I like a strong military.
Smoke pot and then smoke the fucking terrorists.
and then watch HBO. It's the American way.
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jim
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2002,20:17 |
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CatKnight really is a jack ass, just for the sake of being a jack ass...
wow... I swear this is the first time I've noticed it. Although I've never really liked the guy, I at least thought of him as level headed... But wow... Man. All I can say is wow.
He really is a jack-ass.
Being in the tax bracket I'm in, I vote Republican, but CKs view on politics are fucking _way_ off base. And for no other reason than being a jackass. I mean, why else start this topic, and then argue every single point mentioned???
wow.
/enlightened
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