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Sithiee 
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2001,01:25 |
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thats fine. if she did, i wouldnt have an opinion on it, would i?
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Michael
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2001,03:27 |
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Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
it's interesting how closely the pro-life position is tied to religion, and more specifically Christianity.I mean, if God exists, then can't He just stick an aborted soul into another fetus? Better that a new soul gets parents that WANT it, right?
You mean, reincarnation? That baby dies, so it soul just gets recycled? You seem to be a bit confused theologically here, damien - reincarnation is Hinduism, not Christianity. Oh, and you certainly aren't improving your karma by killing that baby either...
As for the question of adopted children later coming back and causing trouble for their parents later on or vice versa, for those children, the fact that they're alive at all means that they should be glad they were not aborted. And as for the parents, certainly it is convenient to just cover over a mistake so that it won't come back to haunt you later down the road, but what is convenient is rarely the right thing to do.
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kuru
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Posted on: Jan. 11 2001,03:53 |
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once again, it's easy to piont fingers.oh, and hindu doesn't have an -ism at the end of it. and karma, is a concept of buddha dharma. and while we're at it, the sentient make choices, and the non-sentient are affected by them. not all choices have a 'right' answer, especially not the abortion/adoption/keep the kid one. in the end, the only 'right' choice comes down to the one that won't cause a person to hate who they see in the mirror every day. life just is that way, and decisions like that get made every single day. life's hard. that there are no correct answers and no magic little book of moral absolutes makes it even harder. you do the best you can, you make the choices you can live with. hell, even the dalai lama has picked up a rifle in defense of the freedom of tibet. he failed, against trained soldiers of china, bht he tried. even the buddha didn't believe in absolutes: all things, in moderation. moral absolutes don't exist, and there are no right answers. only ones that are less wrong for the person being asked. ------------------
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Michael
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Posted on: Jan. 13 2001,22:07 |
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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
So then it IS with God in heaven now!? What's so wrong with that! It's eternal pleasure is to float around in the fountain and suck alge of the sides with it's umbilical cord! Right!?
Please...... and what is "please" short for? "Please kill me?" Hmmm...
This sort of thing sound kind of strange coming from someone who, as a non-Christian, obvioulsy believes that the pyramids were built by aliens from the same planet as Elvis and that you can control your enemies by collecting their hair and fingernail clippings. I mean seriously, PersonGuy, and all you other atheists / agnostics - how can you believe in such total BS? Or wait? Could it be that I failed to do my research, and that the truth is that just because you're not a Christian, it doesn't mean that you believe in aliens and witchcraft? Well, in that case I suppose I should have cleared up some of my MISCONCEPTIONS first so that I wouldn't sound like an absolute idiot insulting someone else's religion just because what I thought their religion was had NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER to their actual beliefs. Or, to put that more directly for those of you who for some reason can't understand irony or sarcasm, it's very easy to have a ludicrously incorrect view of someone else's religion and to then assume that their religion is BS when in fact your own conception of that religion is at fault, but speaking or writing based on those misconceptions only serves to illuminate your own ignorance and will do absolutely no good in supporting your own position.
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Michael
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Posted on: Jan. 13 2001,22:40 |
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quote:
Originally posted by kuru:
life just is that way, and decisions like that get made every single day. life's hard. that there are no correct answers and no magic little book of moral absolutes makes it even harder. you do the best you can, you make the choices you can live with.
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moral absolutes don't exist, and there are no right answers. only ones that are less wrong for the person being asked.
First of all, let me say that if I was the sort of Christian fanatic that unfortunately seem to be found on the Internet in way too large numbers, seeing that that was your 666th post would have really freaked me out... but instead I'll just look at it as some sort of coincidence. Secondly, I can see how you could view the world as a place where there is no such thing as right or wrong and where the only "good" decisions are the ones that do the least harm, but I don't see who in their right mind would want to live in such a world. Myself, I live in a world where people are all good, although sometimes misguided, where I don't have to worry about someone else turning on me simply because it's more "convenient" for them to do so, and where there are indeed concrete answers to ethical questions. And I don't see who in their right mind would give up my world in favor of yours. OK, here's a concept for all of you: throughout your entire lives in school, while you thought you were being educated in a mostly unbiased, non-religious manner, you were actually being indoctrinated in the official religion of schools and government, the religion of science, a religion known as secular humanism. It is a view of the world that, since it is based on modern science, is, just like the scientific worldview as a whole, based on a set of flawed assumptions. For those of you who believe that science will one day provide a complete understanding of the world, you are only deluding yourselves. As science and mathematics come closer and closer to modeling things like the Big Bang or black holes or quantum mechanics, they are in fact only coming closer and closer to revealing the inadequacy of those approaches and the meaninglessness of a worldview build around science. The world cannot tell you who you are or why your are here or what you should do with your life; it can only provide diversions which distract you from asking these questions and keep you from worrying.
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Spydir Web
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Posted on: Jan. 14 2001,00:18 |
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ok... I'm sick of the religious war going on... I would just ignore the thread, but it does nothing but fuel my belief that all believes are dumb and that the whole world is becoming currupt with personal wants and needs... So, instead of getting on a soap box and screaming "listen to me and my religious views, for they are true and the rest are stupid!" I'm gonna attempt to lay down the facts...It's a well know fact humans "need" answers. They see a door that says "Employees Only" and they want to know what's behind the door. They're told "don't open this box" and they wonder "what's in the box that I shouldn't see?" and they open it. It's like the B rated horror movies. Dumb guy "protects" ugly girl by walking into a house where some monster is waiting to eat them both. Like watching those shows on TLC. You don't want to see the surgeon pulling the knife out of the guy's skull, and you even say "oh my god that's sick!" but you still watch it (I admit I've done this a couple times, but it's rare). We *want and need* answers. Some people find answers in science, other's in a God or multiple Gods. And people are brought up on this. It's like, most Christian families give birth to Christian babies, just like most Buddhist families give birth to Buddhist babies. The kid doesn't choice, it's literally forced on them. It's actually rare people leave these upbrings on their own personal choice. So... ask yourself this. If I was born as a Jew or as a Hindu (spelling?) or a Muslum (god I need to learn to spell  ), would I be as true to my religion and religious believes as I am with my Christian? Same goes for Atheists and everyone one else. Like many things, believes are rarely a personal thing, they're majority learned. Yeah... has nothing to do with the original topic, but still. Quit fighting over the whole religious thing and just go at each other's juggular over the abortion crap... Believe what you want and let others do the same. Ok, I might get flamed for all that but who cares... I'm finished with the thread now, how about you? ------------------
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PersonGuy
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Posted on: Jan. 14 2001,00:47 |
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Well, in that case I suppose I should have cleared up some of my MISCONCEPTIONS first so that I wouldn't sound like an absolute idiot insulting someone else's religion just because what I thought their religion was had NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER to their actual beliefs.
Whoa... sorry, I didn't mean to hit a nerve there... or mabey I did... You've gotta understand that I was raised as a Christian, and even though I've renounced those beliefs, I still remember what I was taught! There's SO many different forms of Christianity, that MY previous veiw would have suggestest obserd ideas from my previous statements. However, YOUR veiw might see what happens to the "baby" TOTALLY different... in which case I'm NOT insulting YOU. The fact that you were so offended shows that either you're either upset at yourself for holding on to something so obserd, or that you MISS UNDERSTOOD and thought I was specifically talking about YOU. So educate me. In your belief, what happens when people die? And is there a special case for the "baby". I'm truely interested. ------------------
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