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There was NO given reason for the attack on us, except for blind, unreasoning hate towards the U.S

What a claim! Back that up. Just because our news media isn't keeping us up to date on the atrocities we've committed elsewhere doesn't mean that there's "no reason". Go read the interview with Osama Bin Laden.

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Explain to me what would be said to get these people to stop terrorising the world? What would be said to even get the to negotiate? Large sums of money? Yeah, right. Keep dreaming if you think some magic words are going accomplish very much.

And if the reason is, "Get out of our land!" they just go back to killing each other and invading countries, like Iraq did to Kuwait.
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Just because our news media isn't keeping us up to date on the atrocities we've committed elsewhere ...

Okay, cr0, back that up! I find it odd that you take Bin Laden, a known terrorist and crackpot (Islam does NOT condone terrorism, folks!), over the same media that loves to break stories about government corruption.

By the way, which atrocities are you talking about? And don't try the "I could give you hundreds but I won't", please enlighten my ignorance by giving me one or two instances that I can search for.
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PostIcon Posted on: Sep. 13 2001,21:46 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
Not that he needs backin up, but dont you think that the US selling both sides of their war WEAPONS TO KILL EACH OTHER AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN on both sides for a tidy profit just a LITTLE FUCKED UP?

In the UK we do this too.

I'm sorry, but profiting from human misery is in my omnipotent opinion a fucking atrocity from a "civilised" western world, so you can go suck my balls.

Yes, SUCK MY BALLS.

I'm not belittling the tragedy that has transpired but everyone needs to take their thumb outta their asses and smell the fucking roses.

Our WORLD is fucked up.

If we want shit like this to stop, we need to SIT DOWN AND SORT SHIT OUT, not throw petrol on the mutherfucking fire.

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You honestly think that any nation makes more than a few million selling arms? That is one way to look at it. Another way is that it is helping people who can't help themselves.

Oh yeah, in case you don't know, a few million dollars is shit.

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PostIcon Posted on: Sep. 13 2001,23:48 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
Since when is selling weapons to other nations that get used in wars between those nations an atrocity?

Hypothetical to put things into perspective: I buy a gun at the gun shop. Someone else buys a gun at the same gun shop. We have a fight, and shot our guns, and people die, and the gun shop sold the weapons to both sides in the fight. That makes the gun shop evil, and party to the crimes right? And the fact that the gun shop profitted on the lives of those dead people is fucked up. Notice the sarcasm....

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Hypothetical to put things into perspective: I buy a gun at the gun shop. Someone else buys a gun at the same gun shop. We have a fight, and shot our guns, and people die, and the gun shop sold the weapons to both sides in the fight. That makes the gun shop evil, and party to the crimes right? And the fact that the gun shop profitted on the lives of those dead people is fucked up. Notice the sarcasm....

If your quarrel with this person was all around town and it was well known that you didn't need this weapon for HUNTING (in other words it was obvious what it was going to be used for) then yes, that would make them evil.
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Cr0bar is fuckin right, he is one of the VERY few (are u American?) that knows what SHIT the US does and has been doing to other countries for the past 50 some years. There have been MANY incidences, and I'm sure I mentioned a few of them more than once already in other posts.
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Didnt know where to post this but I think its cool and well you all probablly seen it already.
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No offense, but I think it's quite ignorant to think Sept 11th, or any other Muslim-extremist terrorist act, is "unprovoked."

One of the major roots of fundamentalist Muslim hatred is grounded in the USA's dealings with Arab and other Mideast states during and after the cold war.

To make a long story short, you can see this in the USA's capricious ally policy with the region. For example, the US was once allies with Iraq, and enemies with Iran. (Remember the Iran-Iraq war of 8 years length? Guess who we gave military aid to? I'll give you a hint: Iran took Americans hostage in the 70s.) I won't even get into Ollie North and the Iran contra affair.

Regardless, I'm sure we all know where the US-Iraq relationship lies today.

Still asking why? I think a lot has to do with the US's choice to consistently support Israel over any Arab state as well. After Bin Laden was trained by the CIA, and the Soviet conflict in Afghanistan over (the Soviets lost their version of Vietnam), the US had no more immediate need to support the Arabs to any degree. Sure, the Taliban was funded and placed into power, but I believe this all proved to be moot as more and more money and resources were pumped into Israel. Remember, Israel has F15s. Palestinians have rocks. (Please note that I'm not taking sides in that conflict, I'm just stating relevant facts)

Due to the previous (and several other reasons), the Arabs felt double crossed. Now, they live in the shadow of Israel, aka the "US of the Mideast." And you know how the Israelis and Mideast Arabs get along...

I leave you to piece together the rest.

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