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CatKnight 
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Posted on: May 30 2002,21:52 |
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replaced wiley's poll due to unnescessary flame, according to DSL's rules.
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damien_s_lucifer
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Posted on: May 31 2002,00:16 |
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it would've been nice if you would've at least left the question intact.
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Beldurin
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Posted on: May 31 2002,00:18 |
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Couldn't you have moved the posts so I don't have to retype? That's kind of skirting a fine line, but anyway...
My original post was: I have to go with the Parents/Teachers option (but not so much the teachers). My entire moral and ethical foundation I attribute to my parents. Granted, society has played a role, God has played a role, my experiences, etc. have played a role, however I owe all of my morals, my (so-called) intelligence, and most of my success to my parents. Because they were parents...good parents.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: May 31 2002,01:26 |
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oops my bad, i thought i did
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DuSTman
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Posted on: May 31 2002,02:47 |
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The poll appears to assume that all moral statutes are derived from the *same* source.
I personally believe that both nature and parental/society influence play significant parts in the development of most peoples way of thinking on this. Clearly parental guidance can alter the way children think on a particular situation, but we must consider that if that's the only way morals were ingrained, then how did the first humans ever refrain from killing each other long enough to compose a society in the first place.
One thing I'm against is the regard some people seem to find for morals. A lot of people talk on this subject like there should be nothing above morals to determine what to do in a particular situation.
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Wiley
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Posted on: May 31 2002,03:44 |
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Didn't think it was too much of a flame considering you spent an entire thread telling us what morals should be.
But what ever. I think I learned more from my parents about what is right and wrong ...I lumped it with teachers because I wanted to sepparate taught morals from natural or supernatural or some kinda mysterious force.
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Vigilante
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Posted on: May 31 2002,05:02 |
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Funny, I thought Wiley's fifth choice was perfectly legitimate as well. Sigh... have to settle for the next best choice.
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He says turn the other cheek, but that seems kind of weak
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CatKnight
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Posted on: May 31 2002,05:20 |
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funny how people only interpret what they want to hear. I'm sure this won't be the last time, but here we go again. I NEVER EVER TRIED TO PUSH "MY" MORALS ON ANYONE, THE ENTIRE DEBATE WAS WHETHER ABSOLUTE MORALS EXIST OR NOT.
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veistran
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Posted on: May 31 2002,09:49 |
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I had a really good philosophical discussion about "truth" and "absolute truth." I'd imagine it would've been very similiar if we were talking about morals. As such, here's what we came to the conclusion of... Things are referred to with the _absolute_ sense implied, as such people are much more comfortable with things when they see them as absolutes. This makes sense given that the good majority of philosophy is the search for true absolutes. In general absolutes mean, this is what I believe, this is how I 'experience' it and barring some kind of major shift in my understanding of it, this is what it is. Most people's morals are like that.
As far as whether morals exist, yes, morals exist. Morals are always going to exist in some form for humans, having them is part of being human.
edit: minor spelling
Edited by veistran on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Wiley
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Posted on: May 31 2002,16:13 |
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I'm sorry CK, I must have misinterpreted that entire part when you were telling Kuru that she should believe abortion is immoral (as you do) as you pushing your morals on her.
<sarcasm>Now after re-reading the thread (especially this part)
| Quote | | that is besides the point though, because I'm not arguing whether it should be legal or illegal, I'm trying to get kuru to realize how wrong it is. |
I can clearly see that you have no desire to persuade Kuru to share in your beliefs</sarcasm>
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