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Wolfguard 
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Posted on: May 31 2002,16:32 |
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| Quote (DuSTman @ 30 May 2002,21:47) | | then how did the first humans ever refrain from killing each other long enough to compose a society in the first place. |
I think it would be along the lines of.
"If i kill og, og cant help hunt. og is a good hunter and brings in a lot of food. killing og would be bad."
This would be the birth of the M word that everyone tosses around since it gets boiled down to killing is bad.
and for the record. you guys are discussing ethics...
1 plural but singular or plural in construction : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation
2 a : a set of moral principles or values b : a theory or system of moral values <the present-day materialistic ethic> c plural but singular or plural in construction : the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group <professional ethics> d : a guiding philosophy \
not morals
1 a : the moral significance or practical lesson (as of a story) b : a passage pointing out usually in conclusion the lesson to be drawn from a story
2 plural a : moral practices or teachings : modes of conduct
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kuru
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Posted on: May 31 2002,18:06 |
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Yes, clearly 'I am trying to get kuru to just understand that this is wrong because I believe it is morally and ethically wrong and so should she.' is not in any way trying to get kuru to adopt CK's morals.
Not at all can that be interpereted as CK trying to push his morals on kuru.
Anybody wanna buy some beachfront property in Arizona?
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CatKnight
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Posted on: May 31 2002,21:08 |
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stop saying "CK's morals", as if they were mine and I made them up and I am trying to force them on all of you. That is what I am complaining about. If I told you stealing was wrong, you wouldn't say I was pushing MY laws on you, you would be saying I was taking that from the law which most people follow.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: May 31 2002,21:15 |
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oh, and if ANYONE has ever made a straw-man argument, it is you.
The straw man fallacy is when you misrepresent someone else's position so that it can be attacked more easily, knock down that misrepresented position, then conclude that the original position has been demolished. It's a fallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have been made.
This is exactly what you do. First you misrepresent my position by stating that I am trying to impose MY morals on everyone. You don't deal with the actual question of whether absolute morals exist or not, all you do is claim that you should have the right to abide by whatever morals you feel like, regardless of absolute exist or not.
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kuru
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Posted on: May 31 2002,22:22 |
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Do you or do you not personally believe that abortion is wrong?
Are you or are you not trying to get me to agree with a personal moral belief that you hold?
Since you do believe that and you are trying that, it is 100% accurate to say you are trying to shove your morals on me.
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damien_s_lucifer
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Posted on: May 31 2002,22:55 |
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damn good points, wolfguard. I had wondered about the moral vs. ethics thing.
and yes, ck, you ARE trying to push your ethics on kuru.
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Dysorderia
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Posted on: Jun. 01 2002,00:42 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 31 May 2002,16:15) | | This is exactly what you do. First you misrepresent my position by stating that I am trying to impose MY morals on everyone. |
which you do do(quite a lot, too)| Quote | | You don't deal with the actual question of whether absolute morals exist or not |
nor do you, CK.
your posts never progressed past being pathetic attacks on the IQ range of the person that you are debating with.
::edit:: Ok then, CK, you fucking smartass, here's an extra-special edit for your benefit.
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Edited by Dysorderia on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 01 2002,01:05 |
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starting? yeah well you've never gotten past that level to begin with.
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kuru
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<mod hat on>Aight look, you've gotten away with implied insults on the character and intelligence of the people you're arguing against, but a direct insult in which you say a person's IQ isn't high enough to debate with you is NOT within the rules of rhetoric.
CK, keep it to the topic at hand. Attack your oppoent's viewpoint. But you will stop attacking your opponent as a person.<mod hat off>
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DELUDED_BIPED
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Posted on: Jun. 01 2002,02:42 |
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| Quote (Beldurin @ 30 May 2002,19:18) | Couldn't you have moved the posts so I don't have to retype? That's kind of skirting a fine line, but anyway...
My original post was: I have to go with the Parents/Teachers option (but not so much the teachers). My entire moral and ethical foundation I attribute to my parents. Granted, society has played a role, God has played a role, my experiences, etc. have played a role, however I owe all of my morals, my (so-called) intelligence, and most of my success to my parents. Because they were parents...good parents. |
Bel, you are absolutely correct in your point of parents being a strong morale role model, but what if you have inane, ignorant parents?
Personally my parents didn't have good world views when I was growing up and I still find it lacking to a point, however, it has gotten better.
In my case after I graduated high school and moved on to college my friends I made thier helped me shape my moral views on most subjects. I am the type that must see it in practice and be proved that it works before I will adopt it into my own doctrine. Now I am not saying I had saints of friends far from it, but due to thier honesty of being screwed up I was able to see that the things they did were wrong, fun, but wrong.
Parents, in a childs eyes at least, are always right. Dad and Mom are far too unconditionally loved at first to be good people to shape morals, they don't have the question of "why" to deal with. At least mine didn't because of the fear factor, so I have to go with friends being the molders of moral.
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