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damien_s_lucifer 
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Posted on: Jun. 03 2002,22:23 |
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Congress to investigate FBI and CIA
including whether or not the new powers assumed by the FBI/CIA violate civil rights (hint: the answer is "definately".)
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Pravus Angelus
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Posted on: Jun. 03 2002,22:54 |
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One can't help but notice that the congress investigating the CIA & FBI just so happens to be the same congress that passed the PATRIOT act that granted them all these new powers in the first place....
hmmmmm...
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jun. 03 2002,23:14 |
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Yeah ....wait a second. What are they trying to pull? I think it is all just smoke and mirrors to cover up the fact that they forced Fox to stop any further production of X-Files ...they're trying to deflect our own investigations into the FBI/CIA underworld.
Seriously though, your damned if you do and damned if you don't here. FBI/CIA needs fewer restrictions to hunt down terrorists, but you know that will lead to civil liberties being violated. I mean, it's a bit tough to tourcher the info outta some terrorist without violating his rights.
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Pravus Angelus
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Posted on: Jun. 03 2002,23:34 |
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http://www.reason.com/0203/fe.jw.panic.shtml
And then there’s the hefty "USA PATRIOT Act" -- an Orwellian law deserves an Orwellian name -- which, among many other things, permits secret searches and warrantless Internet surveillance, allows authorities to hold foreign nationals without trial, gives police access to accused terrorists’ phone records (again without a warrant), requires retailers to report "suspicious" customer transactions to the Treasury Department, and expands the definition of terrorist to include such nonlethal acts as computer hacking. In mid-November, President Bush took this expansion of executive power a step further, declaring unilaterally that accused terrorists can be tried in secret by special military tribunals. |
Those are liberty infringements I'd be concerned over. While I agree the CIA & FBI need the freedom to do their job, much of the criticism is that they failed to piece information together -- if that's the problem, there's obviously no need to expand their information gathering powers...
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 04 2002,01:59 |
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I don't think there is anything wrong with spying on our enemies in our own country in public places.
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demonk
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Posted on: Jun. 04 2002,02:38 |
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Have you read the PATRIOT ACT CK? It doesn't just make it easier to track terrorists in our borders. It makes it hundreds of times easier for them to spy on ANYONE!
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 04 2002,04:18 |
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I don't think there is anything wrong with spying on enemies within our own boarders in public or private places. It is the equivalent of the CIA spying on the KGB. The KGB doesn't have civil rights to protect them from us...
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demonk
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Posted on: Jun. 04 2002,05:03 |
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Actually, it's more like turning the CIA and FBI into the next KGB. If memmory serves me correctly, the citizens had pretty much no protection from the KGB since all their activites were legal. If the only target of these new powers where terrorists, then yes, it would be good and bad people would be caught. But the wording of the law allows even peole just suspected of a connection to terrorists to be spied on. Now, it's damn simple to show suspision, so practicly everyone is a target. And the scary things is, the checks and balances are removed. The FBI and CIA don't have to answer to another branch like it used to. Kind of defeats the ideas of the founding fathers, now doesn't it.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 04 2002,05:24 |
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I don't think illegal aliens, who are here soley to blow up stuff, deserve the same civil rights as united states citizens. the kgb fucked their own civilians who were trying to overturn the government. we are trying to supress terrorists who are trying to murder civilians.
I do share your concern about their power getting out of hand and being used for anything other then preventing terrorism, however.
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demonk
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Posted on: Jun. 04 2002,06:50 |
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Yes another cold day in hell! CK and I agree on something again!
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