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KEVIN SMITH RULES.
thats all I have to say

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Hey, Chrissy, FUCK OFF!
I said that Communism was good in theory because it is. BUT, when someone actually tried to enstate it, the government was corrupted and that's where it went wrong.

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Short Version
Provide no aid to Third World nations and you can expect widespread damage to the environment that will have a negative impact on all of us.


The Long Version
I've read through this thread and seen some statements to the effect that we should let Third World countries fend for themselves and let their populations 'stabilize' naturally. Bad idea for two simple reasons: the needless suffering that's created by this attitude and the destruction this attitude indirectly leads to. I won't bother to address the ethical side of the issue (some of you seem to think that ethics are a waste of time). Instead, I'd like to point out why it's practical to help out our poorer neighbours.

Ever heard of the slashing and burning of South American rainforests? The poaching of endangered species? Find it outrageous that people kill mountain gorillas to create ashtrays? If you aren't outraged by it, I'm sure that you can at least agree that the destruction of natural habitats and the reduction of biodiversity is a harmful practice - it creates imbalances in the ecosystem that all of us ultimately have to deal with.

At this point you might be thinking to yourself, "Those Third World pricks. How dare they destroy the environment." Well, quite simply, they dare because the impoverished farmer needs grazing land for his cattle and the poacher needs to feed his family. Since these nations are economically underdeveloped, and raw unfinished goods (e.g. agricultural) are their primary export, the outcome is pretty much predetermined.

That's the first reason I offer as to why we should be helping Third World countries to develop(For those of you who like to bitch and moan about 'handouts' what I'm proposing is that we teach the man to fish, not give him a supply of fish). By transforming the economies of third world countries to infrastructures based on skilled labour (as opposed to agricultural products), we can help to preserve the environment. As a general rule, people show more interest in preserving the environment when their survival isn't at stake.

Reason number two: I've already argued that population growth rates decline when a country reaches the post-industrial level of development. And a simple reason for keeping populations below the 'correction' threshold is the following: the fewer of us there are the better the earth can sustain the load.

In this day and age, there really is no room for regionalistic thinking. The fate of your fellow man is your fate too. Truthfully, the cost of helping Third World nations if far outweighed by the cost of not helping them.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,03:28 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

First to Cyrino-
Don't get all testy with me I don't like it. I didn't tell you to "FUCK OFF" and so I didn't think it was nice that you said so to me. Not that I expect an apology or anything- just wanted to tell you.

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You are one smart guy. Post was wonderful and well stated. Good on ya.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,05:30 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

eventually, the world will balance out. with millions starving and dying (already happening) and the amount of farm land reducing, will cause a large scale culling of the population naturally.

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The_Hiro is truely that...Well said man.
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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,18:14 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

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Originally posted by Wolfguard:
Fusion/electric power was produced at PPL in princton. It was produced at a level of 0\% loss. this means that enough power was produced to power the reactor. something like 10KW per hour.

Where did you hear this from? As far as I knew, to achieve fusion power you had to put in more energy than you produces. It's interesting to think that we're already at this point in fusion technology....


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Originally posted by Sithiee:
so your basically suggesting "dont have a kid, and we'll give you money"? how about if i tear off my arm, can i have money for that too? how about if i remain a virgin for the rest of my life? is that worth somethin? 5 bucks? jesus you people are sick. if you want to know the true effects of what your suggesting, read a book called "The Giver" in it, they have a system like yours where only certain people are allowed to reproduce, and its such a fucking controlled society, it really bites.


Why are people that consider solutions to a serious problem sick? Especially when the particular solution isn't considered immoral or unjustified to quite a few people [don't ask me to say how many, I can only quote from my friends]. Providing incentives to not have children is fine by me--after all, I DON'T have to take the incentives. By the way, the society depicted in "The Giver" wasn't that horrible; I just wouldn't want to live there. :-)

What are the disadvantages and advantages of this possible solution (incentives to not have children)?


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thats just it, its not a serious problem, population will level off, and personally, i think most of the people who comment on this board (myself included) have yet to see the actual effects of real overpopulation, and until they witness it firsthand and all, they should shut the fuck up.

and BTW, quite a few people in germany didnt feel that the holocaust was immoral or unjustified, does that mean that it was a good solution to the "jew problem"??

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I'm fairly concerned about overpopulation, as quite a few others here are so I see no reason in discussing the possible ideal and practical solutions to this problem. Better safe than sorry, right?

You're probably right about the fact many of us have no first-hand experience with the effects of overpopulation, but that's no reason not to discuss it. We can't always go and become an expert on something before we try to engage in a conversation about it. :-)

Solving the "Jew problem" in Germany during Hitler's time by mass genocide was not moral or justified in my opinion. However, I have no qualms with discussing such an option...as long as everyone realizes we will hopefully never actually go there. And even if they do, I'll still debate them about it. Just to make it clear, providing incentives to decrease the population increase is considerably different than mass murder. Yes, yes, that's only my opinion, but come on, there must be some standard here or we can't debate. That's why in a true debate you define all of the terms and concepts first.


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