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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 08 2000,05:48  Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Of course you still need extrenal programs! Doesn't EVERY operating system need external programs? I mean, what's the point of having an OS if you don't have any software for it?

but these extrenal programs can be anything from an old partition magic to the original quake. my statement is that command.com is a new version Old DOS command interpreter, and windows 95/98 runs on top of that. You can delete your entire windows directory and DOS will still run fine. It won't run any better/worse because it's missing fdisk/format/sys/edit (though it would suck not to have these)

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Sithiee have you tried booting you computer up DOS-mode using win9x?? That IS DOS! And it comes with win9x, so they something to do with each other. It's called DOS 7.0 on my computer. And saying that the command prompt isn't DOS can be discussed. Maybe the routines are different, but it's still the same commands, and the same way of using it. And it's still M$, so I'd say that it's just another version of DOS. It's a bit like saying "workbench for the amiga emulator isn't workbench". Or Quake for linux isn't Quake. The command prompt is DOS for windows!
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The dos mode that is supplied with Win98 is not a stand alone operating system, but you can have both DOS (the operating system) and Windows installed on the same machine.

Comparing the stability of a GUI based operating system with a command line operating system is like comparing apples with oranges. GUI's have many more device drivers that need to be loaded, hence much more chance of conflicts. If DOS had to load as many device drivers etc. as Windows, I bet it would crash just about as frequently.

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im thinking that Bill owns the sorce code for everthing at M$. the doj will split the co but bill will still own the code so he wont lose any money. if anything he will make more. it will be like a stock split for him and there will be a new IPO for the new company. I just dont see the point of this.

How about names for the new company?
something like
Fuck you DOJ Inc.
suck this split you fuckers Inc.
you think the gov will get any breaks on software now you fucks Inc.

If i was bill i would use a name like one of the above.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 08 2000,12:29 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

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The dos mode that is supplied with Win98 is not a stand alone operating system, but you can have both DOS (the operating system) and Windows installed on the same machine.

Uhhh... Yeah, but On the win 9x variant of Windows, you need DOS before you can get to windows, thats why if you hit F8 when it says "Starting Windows..." you get a boot-menu, one of the options (usually 5) boots direct to the dos prompt, and it is DOS btw, not just an emulation of it.

As for NT, there is no boot-menu, there is no underlying DOS, not that I've been able to get to anyway.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 08 2000,17:35 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

command.com just stored the commands you used in dos, they were stored in a file like that, and it was supposed to prevent people from fucking up their computers. 9x and NT do not run over dos, they have jack to do with it. when you get the command prompt, you are accessing a subroutine of 9x/NT. this is why a lot of dos games dont work so well on 9x/NT, and why when people started making games for 9x/NT, you couldnt run a lot in 3.1...thats the only reason i upgraded, after a while, there were no games for 3.1 anymore, and i still sorta wish i hadnt upgraded.
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If one really finds DOS necessary, just install 6.22 on another partition...or use freedos (no support for LBA drives)
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first, 6.22 was the last true dos, after that MS started ignoring it like a bastard child, its now called command prompt, and it is not standalone. you dont install windows 9x from dos, although you can if you want. when you install 9x, you install what some of you seem to think is DOS, but its just a part of windows, when you quit it, and it says "starting windows" it really means finishing, but that would confuse some of the less l33t users, although it seems to have confused people anyway. if you dont believe me, uninstall windows, and then try to load up DOS, it wont fucking work. let me sum up -
After 3.1x, windows was no longer run over dos, rather dos was run under windows, if you really dont trust my l33tness, you can fucking query MS about it. It does make sense though, considering the incredible loss of stability from 3.1x(over DOS) to 95(not over DOS)...

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Take a break Sithiee. I think you're overheating.

Why is DOS 7.0 not DOS? What is the thing on the startup disk you can create. What is in the files Msdos.sys and io.sys?

It's like saying Windows 95 is not Windows because it runs in 32 bit. And Windows 3.1 doesn't. DOS 7.0 is DOS. It's just another version. And DOS 7.0 is supplied with Win95.

I'm not saying that win9x needs DOS, I'm saying that DOS is a provided option. My old does games (those that doesn't work in the command prompt) are running fine when I boot my computer up in the DOS provided with Win9x. I don't really care what you think though. It works perfectly, and has never crashed on me once. It's perfectly stable. Why should they make it less stable than the previous one?

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my point was that 9x does not in any way run over DOS, and it doesnt run a true DOS, in the way that DOS was a completely independant OS. When windows ran over DOS, it was more stable, so when they changed, it was less stable.

i am sorta overheating today, ive been assaulted by so many stupid people today, it just hurts my brain. someone actually tried to convince me that there was no possible way at all a car would explode if hit in the side by a truck. his argument was "have you ever even seen a car crash?"...I HATE DUMB PEOPLE...sorry, wrong rant..bye

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