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"9x machines dont boot to dos. That is a fail condition. it is worthless without the rest of the files that 9x loads for its command line. this you can get around."

Not true, Wolfguard.
This is good old Dos as it once was. (somewhat) You can even rig up your machine to boot straight to dos by messing with your msdos.sys file.
While windows will give you errors out the wazoo if you simply delete your windows dir, when your PC boots up, The Dos prompt you have will still work perfectly fine. You won't be able to run any windows stuff, but that's because it's dos!

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somewhat

bout says it all.

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Personally my probelm with MS is the explorer shell - it truely sucks. Linux doesn't do anything for me so I've ended up running MS with Litestep.
Litestep even makes it faster and more stable as well for a bonus ?
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oh man, another LiteStep groupie.. I had that once, it crashed my pc as soon as my machine hit 100\% CPU usage (every time it booted, for example), the reason why? SysTray.

as soon as I disable SysTray, everything is fine and dandy, but how in all hell are you gonna do anything without a systray?
e.g. ICQ starts in the systray and not windowed, useless without the systray.
e.g. Sound settings cant easily be accessed because, quelle suprise, the quickest way is through the systray.

Need I go on?

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On another note, Jim, Win98 comes with PWS4, so you dont need to spend another 躔~ to get a "special OS" specifically for it.
Win98 is supported by most, if not all, hardware manufacturers for the PC.
Win98 has major game support, if you run NT, its highly likely you'll hardly get a game running, nevermind at the speed you want it to, even on your beast of a machine.

Once again, need I go on?

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First of all, I'm somewhat surprised so many people like microsoft! (or at least windows)
But anyway, I was just gonna say that I use, and recommend Windows Commander as a shell. (not a replacement GUI, just a file program)

It's kinda like a FTP client (and can be used as one as well). It also supports ZIP, LHA, ARJ, ACE, CAB files..etc. I rarely use DOS anymore because of it. Plus it's pretty easy to find a crack for it..


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I have(had?) a book somewhere that explains how to use command.com as a shell replacement to explorer. So..the Kernel is running allowing full 32-bit DOS, long filenames etc. I think it may have had a way to multitask/task switch too...not sure.
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BM_Ray, you will still need some external dos programs, because win 9x-DOS /DOS 7+ installs it's program files in windows\command\

so if you delete the windows dir you won't be able to do anything. This means the format / deltree / fdisk

So only the native commands are usable. That's the copy / del / md / cd / : / rd and perhaps a few more.

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I agree that Microsoft is being picked on, to a certain extent. I wish that their OS'es were more stable, and didn't gobble up the amount of system resources that they do, but hey, whatcha gonna do, besides installing some difficult-to-use operating system that dosen't support a lot of software?

Aside from that, I really like most Microsoft products. Their productivity software (Word, Publisher) are good, their games are actually getting good (Age of Kings, Motocross Madness 2), and even their hardware is good (their Force Feedback stick is nice, and I still use my 3 year-old Sidewinder game pad. It's the best).

Sounds like it will be split into two pieces-the operating system as one company, and everything else as another. What do I see happening? Personally, I really think that someone will end up buying the operating system piece, possibly even the other half of Microsoft... although the government may forbid that from happening... meaning there will be a company immune to takeovers of any kind? How is that going to work? Won't that be against government "business equality" policies?

The government is opening up a can of worms. This could very well turn out poorly in the end.

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that wont happen, bill gates will own one of em, most likely the OS, and after ten years, theyre gonna be allowed to re-merge, unless of course they win their appeal, which i hope they do. if microsoft goes down, its very likely so will most of the industry...jackson is a fucking dumbass....antitrust laws were for protection for things like steel industry....no matter what you do, steel is fucking steel, an OS is one of the most specific businesses there is, no one could make an os thats as easy to program for at the price and stableness...or if they could, they would have already...this judge needs to think about whats good for the industry as a whole.
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quote:
Originally posted by BM_Ray:
command.com is a new version Old DOS command interpreter, and windows 95/98 runs on top of that.

Sorry to be picky, but not quite true. Command.com is just a command interpreter, it's just the prompt ( C:\> )that you see and type stuff into, it's not DOS. But I'm sure you knew that. Plus Windows doesn't really run on top of it. Windows is 32-bit. DOS is generally 16-bit. Windows is it's own operating system, though it does 'clunk' down to 16-bit DOS calls when accessing files. I don't think that's true on a FAT 32 file system though. (Forgive me if I'm not quite accurate - rusty on the internal workings of Windows)

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