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TheTaxMan 
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Posted on: Jul. 01 2002,04:55 |
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Why has this thread all of a sudden become a personal thing? In all likely hood, CK hasn't looked at it lately. I don't recall him posting anywhere else either.
I argue against CK on a constant basis. That doesn't mean I don't 'like' him. I wouldn't be surprised if I was fairly similar to CK irl in some aspects.
(Why has this become personal. It should have stopped about 5 posts back when one side of the argument 'won.' )
Edited by TheTaxMan on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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forumwhore
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Posted on: Jul. 01 2002,04:59 |
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I agree; since the thread's not stopping,
I wondered about what CK could get done if he'd just
change his approach.
He is a remarkably focused individual.
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jul. 01 2002,05:04 |
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in defense of CK, he is definately smart enough to become a very good debator. his problem is that he's very angry about certain things, not the least of which is the way people will attack you just for being intelligent. but he obviously hasn't studied the humanities very much. this not surprising if his physics program is like many others, where they cut back your GE requirements and replace them with more math & science courses.
this plays right into the hands of people like Rush Limbaugh who are well-versed in the art of persuasion, and make their living off of people's rage.
CK, I admire your tenacity. I hope it's obvious to you that I like tearing apart bullshit and stupidity just as much as you do. There's nothing wrong with that; it's a lot of fun and given the number of genuine nimrods in this country it's also very necessary.
But your sources suck. That's why you keep losing your arguments. In physics and mathematics, your arguments are either correct or incorrect. In the human sphere, though, there is rarely (if ever) one "correct" argument, with all others being "incorrect." It's all a matter of opinion... but that doesn't mean all opinions are equally valid, not by a long shot. Some are a hell of a lot more valid (or shall I say "relevant?") than others. There are guidelines and techniques that help judge the validity and relevance of an argument.
Because your arguments are almost always derived from Rush Limbaugh and friends, your arguments are almost always invalid and irrelevent. The few times I've seen you strike out on your own, you've done much better, like the time you destroyed that one idiot who made me say "I'm suddenly aware of why so many people are proud to call themselves Conservative."
Take a few humanities classes, especially journalism or English, and your ability to find and destroy stupid arguments will improve dramatically.
Avoid philosophy classes, by the way... literary folk eat Philosophy majors in one bite. They're even more retarded than Psych majors 
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Beldurin
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2002,04:38 |
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I heard a great radio advertisement today:
Had a bunch of different people reading the pledge...and they read the under God part.
It finished by saying: "Thank God we live in Indiana"
I'll still say under God. Noone can stop me.
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You haven't solved anything.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2002,05:07 |
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Ok I forgot to post here because I was posting again in the other topic. I didn't really want to reply to any of that stuff because it was mostly just CK bashing and taking my quotes out of context and then more bashing and then claiming "we win! yay!" so fine. There was just one thing that really irked me"
| Quote | | "provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States." |
IT DOES NOT SAY THAT!!! IT SAYS TO PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE.
k i'm done.
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2002,12:10 |
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uh, what Constitution are you using?
My sources from The United States House of Representatives, The Library of Congress, and Cornell Law School all have this version:
| Quote | | Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; |
You may want to alert them of the error.
Edited by Darth Liberus on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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kuru
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2002,13:27 |
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I think CK is referring to the Preamble, which states:
'We the people of the United States of America, in order to establish a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.'
However, Darth is also right, as Article 1, section 8, clause 1 does contain the quote he cited.
So there.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2002,19:45 |
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hey speaking of which,
| Quote | | but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; |
that is being violated as well.
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demonk
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2002,20:58 |
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I think that is just referring to how we deal with other countries. Example: I will get charged the same import fee if I import something to Oregon as I do to Florida. But I could be wrong. I don't have a dictionary handy right now.
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2002,22:15 |
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Given that I've been talking about Article I, Section 8 the entire time, I'd have thought that CK would know enough to realize that I was talking about that section, not the Preamble.
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