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CatKnight 
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,02:30 |
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i was just trying to start more debates. if no one wants to debate, or even argue, then why do they post here at all?
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editor
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,02:31 |
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If you mean your thread, I don't know.
If you mean Detnet,
to exchange ideas and information and experiences...
and links
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Dysorderia
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,03:31 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 12 June 2002,21:30) | | i was just trying to start more debates. if no one wants to debate, or even argue, then why do they post here at all? |
starting debates by bashing a political group isn't a course of action that'll make anything but a weak debate.(yes, i know that you aren't the only one who's done this)
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Bozeman
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,03:51 |
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I'm confused. Should we not care that a person's rights are being violated, or should we not care that the Bush administration dropped the ball?
Honestly, I can see no conflict in wanting a more effective yet less invasive system. I also see no problem with actually charging someone with a crime before detaining them. The dirty bomber's lawyer is trying to get him off because he's been held so long with no formal charges. His rights are violated. Why is it wrong to get angry? If they can do it to him, they might do it to me.
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chmod
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,13:42 |
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Dys, if you or anyone else doesn't have anything relevant to contribute to the debate and just want to criticize CK, you shouldn't be posting in this topic at all. Simple as that.
Anyways... I don't think the terrorist attacks was really something that any administration could have prevented, judging from the situation of the intelligence system, etc., and there is really no point in bitching about it after the fact because it's not going to change what happened.
CK, don't you realize that it's disturbing to see someone designated as an American citizen being held with disregard for habeas corpus? It doesn't make me feel like they are threatening my rights but it just seems hypocritical to come up with different standards of treatment for the same people called citizens, even if they claim to have justification for it.
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lykosis
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,18:28 |
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from what i've seen...most politicians are better at pointing fingers than solving problems...i don't care what party they belong to, what church they go to, or who's contributing to their campaign.
but, it was the democrats that cut military spending while increasing military action...
but, it is the republicans that are trying to play funny games with our constitution...(not that the demcrats havnt tried to do the same)
i see plenty of blame to go around...but politics seems to more about making the other guy look bad...and covering your own ass. pretty pathetic, in my opinion.
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kuru
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,18:41 |
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At this point, we need to take a lesson from our friends in the Far East.
Yes, Japan.
Japanese custom after a horrendous fuckup (and the handling of information prior to 11 Sept. was a horrendous fuckup) is not to rake the mud looking for someone to affix blame to.
We now know there is a serious problem with the handling of information in the FBI and CIA. We also know that there are agents in the FBI who have refused to carry out duties in investigating certain people because of their religious affiliations. There are nearly 3,000 people dead already because of these severe errors in national security.
Instead of finding someone to blame for these serious errors, smothering them with mud and then hanging them out to dry, our efforts need to be concentrated on fixing the problems.
This is not to say that if someone is guilty of misconduct they should get away with it, just that we need to apply more effort to fixing the FBI and CIA so that there are no further horrendus fuckups than we do in finding a whipping boy in some closet at a branch office somewhere whose career can be scuttled in front of millions of TV viewers just to make people feel good.
We must also be sure that anyone who may have made a mistake feels secure in coming forward with that mistake so that it will not be repeated, instead of burying it under the carpet and hoping nobody notices as they continue to make mistakes.
Time to put it on the table, all of it, without affixing blame, find out what exactly went wrong, why it did, and repair it.
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lykosis
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,18:50 |
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sorry, logic has no place in american politics. can you come up with something better (costs more)?
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kuru
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,19:25 |
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Remove everyone from office and start over?
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'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,19:29 |
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why do you think goverment wants our guns?
This country was founded with blood and bullets the first time...
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