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lykosis 
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,19:43 |
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aye...same reason the govt wants to have it's hands in every little thing...it's all about dependency and control.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,19:47 |
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| Quote | | CK, don't you realize that it's disturbing to see someone designated as an American citizen being held with disregard for habeas corpus? It doesn't make me feel like they are threatening my rights but it just seems hypocritical to come up with different standards of treatment for the same people called citizens, even if they claim to have justification for it. |
actually there is precidence going back to before world war 1 regarding this issue. if someone enters the country in stealth with the intent to commit sabotage of some sort in the name of another organization, then it is classified as a war crime, regardless of the person's citizenship.
during world war 2, 8 germans tried to infiltrate the united states to sabotage factories. they arrived on long island via u-boats. 2 of them were actual us citizens. they were caught and tried, and 2 of them executed. one of those executed was one of the us citizens.
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lykosis
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,19:57 |
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yes, but they were CHARGED, and they were put on trial...
and i think the argument that he is presenting is that you shouldn't be allowed to hold someone without formally CHARGING them with something.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,20:05 |
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oh i forgot to add that they were tried in a military tribunal.
as for actually charging pedios, that is not the justice department's objective. right now, they want to get whatever information they can from him, like who was planning the attack, when it could happen, etc. that is why they are holding him.
and my point is, if they let him go, the liberals would scream at republicans for not preventing a terrorist attack. if we do hold him, they scream we are violating his rights.
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lykosis
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,20:39 |
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yeah...everything is pretty much a catch 22 in politics.
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kuru
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,20:51 |
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1.) His name is Jose Padilla.
2.) Six of the eight German saboteurs were executed in the 1942 case. The SC ruled on it in Quinn ex Parte.
3.) People can be held without civilian charge in a military brig if they are suspected of actions that represent a 'clear and present danger'.
Wolf: You're right. This country and all its freedoms were born out of bloodshed against tyranny.
If Patrick Henry, Nathan Hale, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Samuel Adams, John Hancock, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, James Madison and Thomas Paine were alive today, odds are pretty good they'd be holed up in a compound in Montana and CNN would call them separatist kooks. Their ideas would today be considered by those in office to be too radical. And that's a definite sign that we citizens better start fighting to get our country back.
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lykosis
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,22:19 |
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"if you live by the sword...you die by the sword"
nice and famous quote, but it fails to mention that you don't actually have to live by the sword to die by the sword...and myself, i would just assume die with my sword in hand.
i have yet to see a convincing (truth laden) argument for gun control.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 13 2002,23:24 |
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when did everyone suddenly start agreeing with me? 
with the germans story, i think i meant all but 2, not just 2.
Edited by CatKnight on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2002,00:21 |
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i agree with you. on this topic anyway.
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2002,00:30 |
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i just dont want my country taking on yet ANOTHER american custom and therefore need gun control. I have come to decide that america can have its guns so long as it fucking keeps them there... that is all
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