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CatKnight 
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,18:29 |
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I never condoned the stoning, nor did I ever compare it to capital punishment for violent crimes. pregnancy out of welock is not a violent crime and does not deserve capital punishment. please don't intentionally misrepresent my position for the sake of yours.
oh, and try asking 10 people whether they think pregnancy out of wedlock is immoral here. most of them will probably say yes. it would be naive for you to assume otherwise.
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,18:31 |
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You could start a poll...
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,18:40 |
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i meant here as in the united states, certainly not here as in detnet.
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,18:44 |
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heh.
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,18:45 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 05 June 2002,10:29) | | I never condoned the stoning, nor did I ever compare it to capital punishment for violent crimes. pregnancy out of welock is not a violent crime and does not deserve capital punishment. please don't intentionally misrepresent my position for the sake of yours. |
Thank you for making my point 
There are no absolutes ...morality, legality, and social acceptance depend on varying cercumstances. You do not condone this case of capitol punishment because it doesn't meet your required circumstances for when capitol punishment is acceptable. I mean, if everything had a moral right and wrong then what about capital punishment? It must have an absolute right or wrong. I don't think I've ever seen a moral argument that didn't have an exception. So, I'll say it again ...I don't beleive in absolutes.
Here's a question combining the two threads for you. If you accidently got a woman pregnant in a society where she would be put to death when somebody found out ...would you abort the baby? Her life ...or the baby's? Now seeing how you have an absolute moral right & wrong opinion on abortion what would your answer be? There is only a yes or no answer ...it's not a trick question.
| Quote | | oh, and try asking 10 people whether they think pregnancy out of wedlock is immoral here. most of them will probably say yes. it would be naive for you to assume otherwise. |
hmmm ....good idea.
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,18:46 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 05 June 2002,13:29) | | oh, and try asking 10 people whether they think pregnancy out of wedlock is immoral here. most of them will probably say yes. it would be naive for you to assume otherwise. |
ask them if its unethical and you will get a different answer.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,19:20 |
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Look you can't ask hypothetical questions where both answers are wrong, and expect me to pick one. There is no point except so that you can say "LOOK CK'S IMMORAL I WIN". Whether I say I would rather have an abortion, or I'd rather see my lover killed, is irrelevant.
btw how does my previous post "proove your point"? I think you are confused.
wolfguard--they are the same thing (m-w: ethical--involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval), however the connotation of the words might result in different answers.
Edited by CatKnight on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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This is an interesting question, and actually brings up two points:
1) This woman knew her country's and religion's rules, and willfully disobeyed them. You pays your money, you takes your chances. Ultimately, the responsibility in doing something foolilsh in a society with rules such as this is hers. Remember, "Cruel and Unusual" has no bearing here, because Nigeria doesn't have a Bill of Rights. Additionally, we have no legal right to interfere, since Nigeria is a soverign nation.
2) The way I see it, a set of morals is something that you can only impose upon your own life, and use to judge your actions and the actions of others as "right" or "wrong". Based on this, we can all say to ourselves, "The actions being taken here are wrong, and I would never want to find myself taking any actions remotely resembling these, or supporting those who do." What we can do is put economic pressure on Nigeria (if we do any significant trade with them -- do we??), we can ensure that our own laws do not resemble theirs, and that's it.
So, saying that, I think that this sentencing is atrocious. If I ever participated in anything like this, I would feel dirty for the rest of my life. I think that these actions are barbaric and sexist, and I do not want my country doing business with those who commit these acts. However, as long as they stay in their own country, and do these atrocities in their own country, I have no legal right to take them out.
It is frustrating, but then that's life.
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,20:09 |
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So, Jynx, you think they ought to just stone her and we should mind our own freakin business, eh?
Who gives a fuck about her human rights, she had the misfortune of being born in a place where they're denied her because she's got a vagina not a penis.
And then you go on to question our legal standing to do something about this?
Legal standing my ass. There's a moral obligation to protect the human rights of EVERYONE. And since she's appealing, she obviously WANTS her human rights protected.
Is there any limit to the cruelty that can be exercised before you'll stop turning a blind eye to it?
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2002,20:27 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 05 June 2002,11:20) | | Look you can't ask hypothetical questions where both answers are wrong, and expect me to pick one. There is no point except so that you can say "LOOK CK'S IMMORAL I WIN". Whether I say I would rather have an abortion, or I'd rather see my lover killed, is irrelevant. |
Why??? Do we live in a perfect world where nobody has to make a tough decision? This is what you fail to understand time and again. Print out the following and stare at it for an hour.
Sometimes there are exceptions!!!
Seriously think about it. I'm not trying to give you two answers that contradict what you have said earlier to prove you wrong, I can care less. I'm trying to make a point that when you say there are absolute right and wrongs you are not looking at cases where you yourself could not make a right or wrong decision. There is only the best thing for you personally at the time. These things happen all the time. My question, though hypothetical here, can be a very real one. This story is a case of one woman (who I'm sure thought about aborting her baby) who had to make this exact choice ...it's not so far fetched. So if you found yourself pregnant in her shoes what would you do? Do you think it would change your views?
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