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Is there any actual proof that Bush did anything wrong in the Enron case?
Because if there is, YOU are the only person who's ever seen it. So put up or shut up. Post the proof or stop making baseless accusations.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Apr. 17 2002,23:13 |
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yeah um taxman i hate to dissappoint you but it was actually clinton who gave enron several million dollars to start on. enron was also counting on clinton to sign the kyoto treaty, because that was their whole buisness. selling pollution credits. when the treaty died, so did enron. ironic how everyone critisizes bush for using the presidency to help his oil buddies, when in fact it was clinton who was being bought by big corporations.
back on topic--thank you vigilante for being on of the few people here with some semblence of rational thought.
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TheTaxMan
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Posted on: Apr. 17 2002,23:26 |
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Enron made huge contributions to 1/2 (or more..) of congress as well as the Bush/Cheney campaign. Cheney obviously was dealing with them the entire time and knew -full well- that Enron was inflating it's stock to horrible proportions. Interesting how they sold all that stock, got a ton of money, and allowed Joe Blow Behind the Computer's 401k to become worthless!
Please, I didn't say anything about Clinton (who doesn't really make a difference since he's not holding an office) , stop making this about party lines when everyone in office now is so obviously involved. If this happened any other time, 1/2 the government would be on the chopping block.
Bush senior was negotiating oil nonesene with the Bin Laden construction compony, when? It wasn't just Clinton negotiating oil treaties.
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TheTaxMan
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Posted on: Apr. 17 2002,23:35 |
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What % of this money was emebzeled.
Stop making every discussion about political parties instead of the issues. I still think if Enron had collapsed at any other time, whoever was in office would be booted hard and fast.
http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/alertv6_31.asp
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CatKnight
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wait just a fuck-hole minute there taxman. first you claim that bush is embezzeling money without any sources. then when i show that it was clinton who was the corrupt one, you 1) post figures of legal contributions versus democrats and republicans, then 2) yell at me for talking about political parties? you're a fucking moron!
furthermore, if we kicked out every president during which something bad happened, related or not, we'd have a new president every 6 months.
why don't you shut the fuck up taxman and stay out of these serious discussions.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2002,00:26 |
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also, those so called joe-shmoes who were supposedly cheated out of there 401k's, were in on the whole scam too. they new the stocks were going to drop hard a YEAR in advance. their stocks were in the 70's in 2000, dropped to 15's in 2001, and then plummeted to 0 last fall. the employees also knew a year in advance that their stocks were going to be unavailable, a year in advance. they lost their money due to their own poor decisions. if you gamble in the stock market and loose, you can't sue the government or the executives or whatever for your own losses.
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TheTaxMan
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2002,00:53 |
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Quote where I picked a said and I'll give you a million dollars you fucknugget. Not once place did I say 'It's all Bush's fault!' or something. You ass. You think you know every fucking fact there is? That's so god damned stupid I don't know what to say. You go on posting bullshit ecnomics when finance majors repetedly tell the real story (which isn't yours funny enough), and you continue to post your nonesense rhetoric. Why don't -you- stay the fuck out of these "serious discusions" since you obviously post just as much bullshit as everyone else.
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kuru
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You did just publicly accuse someone of embezzling. Unless you have some kind of evidence, those are dangerous accusations to make.
In reality, Enron did donate money to the Republican party. Enron also donated to the Democratic party. They donated a hell of a lot of money to a hell of a lot of politicians.
They wanted the Kyoto treaty. They didn't get it. They paid a lot of money for..........nothing. Now if they had gotten a quid pro quo for their money, THAT would be a scandal. They didn't though. So basically all they accomplished was wasting a lot of money on political donations.
As for the bankruptcy, the entire government kept their hands the hell off of Enron. Had they bailed out Enron, there would still be screaming about government misconduct.... only it would be from different media-hounds screaming about the government using tax dollars to prop up failed corporations on the backs of the working class.
I don't wanna hear anything else about Enron.
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TheTaxMan
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2002,03:05 |
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| Quote | You did just publicly accuse someone of embezzling. Unless you have some kind of evidence, those are dangerous accusations to make.
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Coperate officers don't get paid the way most people do. They got large portions of stock as the majority of their pay. Enron officials kept the stock high enough long enough, so they could sell their shares for $25 million dollars (or whatever) and then the stock fell through becasue it had nothing to stand on. I guess that's not stealing per se but it's still illegal. Basically, they created money from nothing. The compony was worthless, and yet the inflated stock price didn't show that (something that is also illegal to do, inflate stock prices).
| Quote | | In reality, Enron did donate money to the Republican party. Enron also donated to the Democratic party. They donated a hell of a lot of money to a hell of a lot of politicians. |
This was already show in the above links.
| Quote | | They wanted the Kyoto treaty. They didn't get it. They paid a lot of money for..........nothing. Now if they had gotten a quid pro quo for their money, THAT would be a scandal. They didn't though. So basically all they accomplished was wasting a lot of money on political donations. |
Giving campaign contributions isn't worthless. It probably managed to keep them afloat far longer than they should have.
| Quote | | As for the bankruptcy, the entire government kept their hands the hell off of Enron. Had they bailed out Enron, there would still be screaming about government misconduct.... only it would be from different media-hounds screaming about the government using tax dollars to prop up failed corporations on the backs of the working class. |
It still remains that they falsified basically everything that they (Enron) were. Does the news even follow what is happening with this story any more? No, not really. That last time I heard anything about it was weeks ago.
I didn't blame parties for anything. I didn't say, "Republicans are evil and Democrates should be in the presidential office!" All I said was that if it weren't for the conflict in the middle east, I doubt that everyone would be getting off without much scrutiny for this.
Oh, and just becasue you say, I'm not going to let you sit back and trash everything I wrote or linked to just because you took it the wrong way.
Also, as an analogy, what happens when someone gives you stolen money, and the police find you with it even though they know it was just given to you?
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