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choice isn't a matter of fault, it's a matter of a human being capable of reasonable and conscious thought deciding what is best for him/herself.

and as far as the choices that get made that result in accidental pregnancies, i think it's highly unreasonable to expect any human being to live without the pleasure of fulfilling, healthy sex just because that person doesn't want to have kids.

i also think that as long as the archaic attitude that a woman who is legally an adult yet is not married or over 30 years old is 'incapable' of making the decision to have a simple, safe, reversible surgical procedure to ensure that she doesn't have any unwanted pregnancies, abortion should and must remain legal.

so many people seem to want to have their cake and eat it too. well, i like to tell these people who remind me of how evil abortion is and how it's murder that the american medical community could ensure that someone like me never, ever has one... by just accepting that as an adult person i want to surgically ensure that i won't get pregnant.

it may be unfair, unkind, immoral or even murder, but the reality of it is, those 'cells' in there impact a woman's life, physically, mentally, emotionally, economically. it may not choose to drastically change, or even ruin, anyone's life, but it still happens.

seriously, sometimes i wish i was male. but i'm not, so i'll just keep doing the best i can, and if anything goes wrong, i guess i'll do what i have to and live with it.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 04 2001,02:59 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
it IS your responsibility to be careful, you can't just kill something and make it all better. its like covering up a crime by killing the witnesses. and jeez, get "fixed" if it bothers you all that much; they can do that too.

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Until it's human it's a parasite and until its got a brain its not human. A foetus usually develops a brain after 6 weeks so if I ever got a girl pregnant when I didn't plan it then I would only want it aborted if it was less than six weeks since conception.

I doubt I'll ever have to make the decision though because I love kids and I want loads and loads of them but only if they're mine.

That BITCH. Sleeping around, how did she think I wouldn't notice a black baby? Especially when she's swedish and I'm albino. Dammit.

Anyway, don't like abortion but you need it. There's some women who would make fucking terrible mothers and unfortunately some of them actually have children. See that's where you look like an ignorant spiv HOUND "I take the opinion that a person cannot make the decision on whether or not some[one] else should be allowed to live." If we're not allowed to choose to terminate a pregnancy why should we be allowed to begin a pregnancy? Maybe we should let the government decide who can have children?

Women have abortion to thank for never having to give birth to your baby.
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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 04 2001,09:38 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
anybody that wants this topic closed - dont post to it. dont read it. if you dont even read it then it doesn't exist to you, and may aswell be closed. people can talk about whatever they want gawd dammit
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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 04 2001,09:49 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
you obviously paid no attention, MattimeoZ80.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 04 2001,14:27 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
No, don't ignore it! Abortion is something to be disscussed, just not on a moral or "This is what I think... bye," level. The last few posts, especially kuru's have been good! Sorry I flipped out, sheeesh.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 04 2001,19:59 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
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Originally posted by portrman:
And what gives the pregnant person the right to kill a baby that can't fight for themselves. Kinda like cold blooded murder, except the baby never had a chance to loose their innocence.


Far as I'm concerned, the moment the baby leaves the womb, no more aborts. But before then, sure!

I'm sorry, but it just isn't considered a human in my view until it pops. You have no right to be telling people what they can't do with their own bodies, btw. You can encourage them not to, but you sure as hell can't stop them.

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It's a pleasing surprise to find that someone has a valid opinion in these forums.

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Originally posted by kuru:
choice isn't a matter of fault, it's a matter of a human being capable of reasonable and conscious thought deciding what is best for him/herself.

and as far as the choices that get made that result in accidental pregnancies, i think it's highly unreasonable to expect any human being to live without the pleasure of fulfilling, healthy sex just because that person doesn't want to have kids.

i also think that as long as the archaic attitude that a woman who is legally an adult yet is not married or over 30 years old is 'incapable' of making the decision to have a simple, safe, reversible surgical procedure to ensure that she doesn't have any unwanted pregnancies, abortion should and must remain legal.

so many people seem to want to have their cake and eat it too. well, i like to tell these people who remind me of how evil abortion is and how it's murder that the american medical community could ensure that someone like me never, ever has one... by just accepting that as an adult person i want to surgically ensure that i won't get pregnant.

it may be unfair, unkind, immoral or even murder, but the reality of it is, those 'cells' in there impact a woman's life, physically, mentally, emotionally, economically. it may not choose to drastically change, or even ruin, anyone's life, but it still happens.

seriously, sometimes i wish i was male. but i'm not, so i'll just keep doing the best i can, and if anything goes wrong, i guess i'll do what i have to and live with it.
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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 04 2001,20:56 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
Dude, Snark, no more of this quoting of an entire post. You do this way too much everywhere. Just take one characteristic line of it if you want to make reference, but don't quote the whole thing just to make a stupid comment that the only person in this thread making any kind of point is the one that agrees with you. Punk ass 15 year old bitch.

Sorry, I'm not in a great mood... need beer.

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in the torah (or the old testament for you strange christians ), it clearly states that a child is not human or alive until it leaves the womb and gets out into the world.

this is totally logical, since it acts more like a parasite until then (not meaning anything bad). it is basically the size of a large bacteria at the time of an abortion anyway.

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