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Just your friendly neighborhood UBB helper here. HOUND, if you seriously want to know what the DetNet community has to say about abortion, click on that search link at the top. Search for 'Abortion yo' in the subject line. Then read it. You may notice I didn't say post to it. Just read it. Just starting such a topic always sets people off. You know why? Because it always leads to flaming rants. So it's a topic to stay away from here.

It's times like these that validate the usefulness of moderators.

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My oppinion on abortion has changed alot recently. There's a few VERY important things here:

Much of this issue is based on whether it's a baby after it's out, or after the egg is fertalized. Frankly that's one thing that will probably never be agreed upon. So not only is it impossible to decide whether it's morally correct, it's also kind of stupid to base an oppinion on morality itself.

Second, all eggs and sperm are pottentially babies. Should we have to save all of them? Why do they have less rights than a fetus? "One of them could discover the cure for cancer!"

Next, although the fetus is defenseless... so is the mother against a screwed up life! Does that baby have the right to suck 18 years out of HER? And if it does, then I don't see how it can be conssidered so harmless!

Anyway, my basic point is that for every case for, there's an equally good case against. Therefore we have to break it down to something more than a morality debate!

What is better for the country?

Just yesterday, I heard someone saying that abortion should be illegal. Another person asked, "What if she's raped?" He replied, "She should still have to have the baby, but the rapist should have is balls cut off in public, and then have his throught cut and be hung in public so his head rips off!"

Why is he opposed to killing a fetus (btw, that fetus could grow up to be a rapist... and with a victomized mother... chances are GOOD!), but would love to see a rapist die?
1) Because the rapist did something wrong
2) BECAUSE IT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY!!
We don't have to waist taxes on keeping him alive in jail for 457 years!

So.......... I look at America today, and it's clear that we'd be better off with less people, and less babies, ESPECIALLY by mother who don't want them or can't take care of them. Therefore, because abortion helps the country, I think it should be allowed by any women who chooses it.

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Leave it to Personguy to give a novel for an answer.

I'll have to totally agree with your opinion though. By all means, it should be the mother's descision.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 03 2001,13:19 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
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Originally posted by Cyrino:
By all means, it should be the mother's descision.

Technically, according to the definition I don't agree with, she isn't a mother... just somebody with an affliction.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 03 2001,22:36 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
i agree with kuru.
i am SO pro-abortion its not even funny.
this is the way i think of if:
a chick gets knocked up, and the father splits. the chick has the baby. and either:
A) she gives it up for adoption, shee feels bad and guily for the rest of her life, and the baby grows up know she wasnt wanted. this leads to 2 un-happy lifes for 2 people.
or
B) she keeps the baby. now she has a sense of joy and motherhood. but lets say the chick is a teenager. now her life is ruined. she can do anything because she has to take care of her child and her parent and only giving minimal support. 2 lives ruined, again.

the bottom line:
either dont have sex, or use some fucking contraception (no pun intended)
people are just dumb.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 03 2001,23:32 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
read this... another thing on this topic
i'd rather not type it all out here again

another thing, in reply to "what gives you the right to dictate what happens to a woman / control her body", what gives THEM the right to dictate what happens to a human being that can't speak for itself?

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lets establish one thing: any way you look at it, it IS killing a defenseless human. just because it is dependant doesn't mean it is not murder. THAT is what is wrong with abortion, and if you don't think that is wrong then I have nothing more to say.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 03 2001,23:37 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
I'm with you there, M80.

I really hate discussing abortion, but I need to weigh in to tip the balances.

Most of these arguments assume a clean room/ emaculate conception. In ALMOST all cases (rape and incest are the obvious exception scenarios), some choices were made that allowed this to happen. The child did not ruin anybody's life. All the child/ fetus/ cell mass did was sit there and divide its cells. I can't find any fault on his part.

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HEY DAMMIT! MY POST WASN'T TO ADD TO THIS TOPIC! IT WAS TO END IT! I SAID, EVERYBODY HAS GOOD ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES AND WE NEED TO STOP DISCUSSING THE MORALITIES ON EITHER SIDE! Talking about what's right and wrong is just a waist of poor cr0bar's bandwidth!

The only reason anyone says, "It's wrong to kill babies," or, "It's wrong to make choises about someones body," is so that THAT person can feel like they have a YES or NO oppion on abortion, and therefore are a complete person! People act like abortion is the biggest most important issue, when it's NOT. A bigger issue is, "What do with do with the kids we already got?" There's so much abuse and neglect going on that nobody want's to address! They're all in fucking denyal spitting out their fucking oppinion about abortion!

"LOOK AT ME! I'M INFORMED!"
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! How about you go fix the problems we've already got!

No? That's cause you never even WANTED to solve a problem! You just wanted to state your fucking oppinion, and then hop back on the couch and watch your fucking reruns!! AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!

ahhhhh... sorry... that's just generalized a rant...

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interesting how some of youz is against abortion yet still willing to pop some guy who breaks into your house from looking at the gunz section.

"no a baby should have a chance for life, i wont kill it"

"no that burglar shouldnt have a chance for my vcr, yes i will kill them"

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