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Sithiee 
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Posted on: Jun. 24 2000,23:42 |
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when someone is raped, you can tell, there will be medical proof. not to mention, if they werent able to go to the police about it (who would then have a record of it) were they really raped?
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Firefox
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I agree with that viewpoint in principle, however it has many problems, especially in a comprehensive 100\% publicly funded health-care system like in Canada. In Canada, the cost of all major medical treatments (not including elective non-essential surgeries) comes completely from government (AKA tax payer) money. Every time a druggie overdoses and is put into the hospital, that money spent on them comes directly from the citizens of Canada, and that takes away from the funding to other areas of the health care system, or other funding areas altogether. If we were to outright legalize coke, heroin, etc., our healthcare costs would soar. If we made it a rule that these people had to pay their own costs, it wouldn't solve much because very few of these people would have any money at all. Besides, Canadians seem to have a burning, irrational fear of even the slightest bit of privatization in our health care system, judging by the reaction by many to the Alberta government's Bill 11, passed a few months back. But I'm sure that most of you aren't too interested in Canadian politics, so I'll stop there.  -FFox
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Firefox
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quote:
Originally posted by nautilus:
..Now, I've heard many people use the "moment of passion" argument for the reason they didn't use a condom. But murders are often crimes of passion as well; does that mean those people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions??
Actually, in a lot of cases these days, when it is determined that a murder was commited in the "flash of a second" or in "the heat of emotion", charges of first degree murder are dropped to second degree murder or even manslaughter. Do I think this is right. Not neccesarily. However, I know that human anger can easily overpower a normally well-balanced individual, and I would hate to find myself in the same situation. But once again, I find myself getting off topic, so I digress. Ouch. There is no doubt that this is a tough topic to take. In the end, we are probaby better off for having discussed it,but still... ouch.  -FFox
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nautilus
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Posted on: Jun. 27 2000,05:43 |
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I've been trying to contain myself and not post in this thread, but I can't take it anymore. Chrissy, I think I'd give you a run for your money on being the most opinionated female on the board, esp. in this thread.In my opinion, if you're going to have sex, esp. if you're not using birth control, you have to be able to accept the consequences. Now, I've heard many people use the "moment of passion" argument for the reason they didn't use a condom. But murders are often crimes of passion as well; does that mean those people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions?? I don't think so. I understand that an unwanted/unplanned child will in most cases not have as good a childhood with their birth parents. That's what adoption is for. There are thousands of parents who want children of their own and can't have them, and just b/c a kid was unplanned doesn't mean they don't deserve a chance at life. And guys, just because you aren't the ones carrying the baby, it doesn't mean you shouldn't get a say in the matter. I must say I'm quite saddened by guys who take the "not my body, not my decision" attitude. It's still a growing life that is half you. Also, I don't think we should go around legalizing things just because people are going to do it anyway. If it's something that is illegal b/c it is harmful (i.e. drugs) and the person does it, perhaps they deserve what they get. I understand your hipocracy argument, aventari, and on the issue of smoking I'm inclined to agree, but at least with alcohol it can be beneficial when used in moderation, it's abuse that makes it harmful. quote:
Originally posted by Sithiee:
if they werent able to go to the police about it (who would then have a record of it) were they really raped?
This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. As a rape victim, I can tell you from experience that there are a number of reasons why someone wouldn't go to the police about what happened. I didn't tell the cops, or even my parents for that matter, but that doesn't make my rape any less real or valid. Rape has profound psychological effects on the woman, in addition to the physical harm, and in many cases (particularly acquaintance rapes, and particularly in intimate settings such as a high school) coming forward would only exacerbate those psychological effects. There are also issues of denial, shame, and self-blame to deal with that keep a person silent. I couldn't even tell my best friend what happened for at least 6 months. However, if I had become pregnant from my rape (which, if you research it, actually happens in fairly minimal instances) I would have come forward about it, and I think rape and danger to the mother's health are the only exceptions I would make to my pro-life position. What I've said about my experiences may not change anyone's opinions, but I hope it will at least give some food for thought.
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