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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,16:06 |
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I agree that it is an enabling choice, and to me, a second abortion is almost enough to lose your right to birth all together, however extreme it may seem. Personally, I think that the recent generation of individuals has been the most ignorant and spoiled (in that most of us have had no extreme crisis to go through like a World War or serious depression). I hate the idea of abortion; such and unnatural thing to me is sickening, yet when you say we are putting ourselves as low as animals...I don’t understand our position moving much. Compared to animals, we are just more confused than anything else is; Animals act on instinct, predetermined reactions occur when their senses are triggered by something with which they can interact towards their benefit. As animals, humans go through the same thing, except we worry about it, cry about it, and wonder if we should deny it or support it. We as a species are no higher than animals as a whole; although some individuals qualify through moral, yes moral, convictions that sometimes put other human's needs in front of theirs...what does this have to with abortion? Having an unwanted child does more than "preserve that deserving Childs life", and I do believe he/she does deserve to live, but not the life that he/she will have as a burden never requested. More reading on parent-child psychology will reveal that unwanted children cause resentment to fester in the parent(s) and generally, the relationship between parent and child is not the best it could have been...maybe that isn’t too bad...but looking at the faces of a starving family instead of a mal nourished mother is much stronger an image to me. I am pro choice because I am not dealing with my body, and because I do not want force limitation the lives of others through forcing birth. It is a tough decision, but it generally is not ours as males, and I think that we should hand the decision to those qualified to make it. I want to believe the father should have some say, yet when it is really thought about, if the woman having to make the decision chooses not to listen to what the partner says at all, I would support her word as final considering he didn’t practice any restraint in the conceiving process (and if she doesn't value his opinion, the relationship (if there is one) won’t probably last too long (and the woman will have the child until it dies))Yet, all things considered, abortion is Sick. And is used today as a method of choosing a child's sex in some countries...the human race never ceases to amaze me...i am Sadly pro choice.
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Happyfish
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,16:42 |
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You know, I've heard about doctors performing abortions right up to the due date. They have to use clamps to crush the babys skull to insure it is dead before they pull it out! Because if the baby reaches daylight and is still breathing, under the law they have to do everything in their power to keep it alive. I'm sure this is an extreme example (but then again maybe not), but it's still an example of how wrong abortion can be.
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Firefox
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,16:55 |
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Yeah, but I don't think the issue is neccesarily whether we LIKE abortion or not. I know that I for one don't like the idea of an abortion at all, and I know that if I were a female in the same position, I probably would do anything in my power not to have an abortion. However, the real issue is whether people should be able to make decisions about their own body and biology. I know that some people argue "Well, the baby isn't really the mothers, it just happens to be inside her", but let's face the facts. Until birth, the baby is essentially a part of the mothers body. Now, my belief is that because of this, the mother should be given the freedom to make decisions that effect her first and foremost. Remember, the process of abortion affects the mother the most out of anyone. Why is it not fair to say that she should have the choice to say "yes" or "no? to such actions? To this end, I suppose I am pro-choice. Not because I like abortion, and "baby-killing" and all that, but because I feel that mothers should have a choice of what is (or isn't) done to their body. Oh yeah, and another thought- Some people believe that the moment conception has taken place, the "baby" growing inside the mother is sacred and shouldn't be harmed. By this, it would suggest that the single fertilized female sex cell is sacred, and should not be touched. However, in experiments in labs all over the world sex cells are fertilized for experiments and medical research. Is this not murder? Is taking a sperm cell from some guy and an egg cell from some woman, sticking them together in a petri dish and looking at them in a microscope for a while murder? This issue is a tough one for sure. -FFox
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Happyfish
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,19:25 |
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That's a good point, but you could say the same for cocaine addicts. Hardcore drugs are illegal, but ppl still do it anyways, and it causes all sorts of crime. Should we make that legal too...?
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Hellraiser
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,21:30 |
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Agreed, it is a very tough issue, and in a perfect world we wouldn't need to discuss it. I don't think that banning abortions would be the answer, the real answer would be to educate the people and for society to take a stance that even though it's legal, it's not okay to do. I don't want to judge people, but it's hard not to when people can even think of doing things like this.When I say I'm pro life, that doesn't mean I want laws to make abortions illegal, I just don't like the idea of killing fetuses whether they're sentient or not. I have no problem with fertalized eggs being used in experiments, as long as it doesn't go to a point where there is a chance the baby could survive and then they kill it. My sister had a premature baby when she still had 4 months to go till term. They were able to keep the baby alive, even though it was only a little over half way through the pregnancy. Today I have a little 2 year old nephew who is walking and talking, and shows all the potential in the world. I saw him when he was first born, and whenever I think of someone having an abortion I see that little baby, and it brings it close to home. I have a hard time imagining someone being heartless enough to want to kill something so precious. ------------------
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Sithiee
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Posted on: Jun. 24 2000,01:39 |
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i think rape should be a special case. in most of the cases weve discussed, the person getting pregnant could conceivably have done something, while obviously rape is different. what do you all think about that?
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