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simulacrum 
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Posted on: May 29 2000,18:30 |
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Bob, there is a reason that pure democracy doesn't work. The majority public is educated enough to make intelligent decisions on the majority of topics at hand! Many of the issues that require decisions have lots of information revolving around it, and most of the population isn't going to study up on each issue to make an educated decision. Especially politics.
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Lizzy
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Posted on: May 30 2000,08:05 |
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It's about who you remove from the planet. Eliminating China and India would probably cut the world's population in half. Most of the people there are poor or starving and of no real use to society. I wouldn't support killing them, but if none of them could have children, that would solve a big problem.
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veistran
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Posted on: May 30 2000,17:03 |
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Whoever said it first put it best, Anarchy relies too much on people's morality and communism requires too much on a person being more willing to do something for the benefit of the whole as opposed to the benefit of them and maybe their immeadiate circle of friends and family. Democracy has worked out best of all the systems so far imho, look at America enough history in 200 years to put not a few of the 'Olde World' countries to shame. For better or worse, democracy is the thing that seems to have worked best yet, doesn't mean there isn't somethig better out there, but basically the problems with alot of the 'ideal' things is that they require too many people to be nice reasonably smart well rounded indivduals, and that's just not happening. As for killing off 2/3's of the population, who's going to make those cheap computers, those nikes, and the clothes your wearing? Huh, what? Honestly, if I don't hear another hipocrite preaching self reliance I'll die happy. :P It really suprises me how many people don't realize how good a thing the have going until it's gone. Then again maybe I don't afterall my favorite saying is "People iz dumb".
Now go on throw around your ideal this and ideal that, I want to see someone come up with a practical solution for once. What is a dictatorship but a police state? ----------------- Veistran It's late so if I'm confusing I blame it on that.
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DuSTman
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Posted on: May 30 2000,18:37 |
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Well, the mean rescources we use now.rescources used=no. people on planet * mean rescource usage per person on planet = too much. It's the overall rescources used we have to cut down on, because farms are being overworkek etc, rainforests are being destroyed faster than they grow etc... However, reducing the mean rescource usage per head would only be a temporary solution, the population would grow more, offsetting this, and then we're back in the same situation. I am aware that taking the population cull route gives only a temporary fix as well, but the process of culling a portion of the populace is repeatable ad infinitum.. A person needs a minimum of rescources to survive on. Yes, we could reduce rescource usage per head in america to that of china. That would help.. The Population would grow and soon we're back at the same rescource usage.
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veistran
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Posted on: May 30 2000,19:12 |
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I wouldn't worry too much about the chinese, with the 1 child per family many/most of the families have chosen to have males, as a result there are in this latest generation a lack of wives to go around.Now why have I have seen an almost mirror of this discussion starting in three different places from three different starting points, starting point one, population control. starting point 2, asain pride, (don't ask this was convoluted as hell and I only read it and didn't bother to get in it), and now starting point three, government. Insane.... it's the way things work, 1st world nations are generally service based economies, second world countries tend toward manufacturing economies, and third world tend toward agragarian economies....
They all depend on eachother to function though. Look at it this way. American buisness wants to manufacture X to build and operate a plant in america employing union workers would cost them say ฤ- an hour. To do the same thing in China would cost them thousands less to build, and they'd be paying them almost nothing compared to the union workers. so then minus the export costs and shipping costs let's say they're still comming out ahead 300\% of what doing it in America would cost. Where would you do it? When it's all about bottom lines, China/Taiwan etc... would be the place to go. And so many people say that it's abuse of them, think about it literally, w/o those factories the chinese would all be working in rice paddies still. If it was you, would you rather work in a factory or a rice paddy for your dollar a day? It may not seem fair, but to them it provides them witha better standard of living and that's what it comes down to. See how it works? It may not seem fair to you, and that's fine but your standard of living is different from theirs. As for right and wrong and culling of the weak... sure you're saying that now, but I doubt you'd be saying that it was quite alright for me to kill if I walked up to you kicked you in the nuts whiped out a .45 and stuck it to your forehead, now would you? Afterall me getting you into that position would mean that you're weak. No, You and most likely all of us would maybe lose control of their bladder, and start crying like a baby. I doubt anyone can honestly say they'd ask me to pull the trigger right then and there.:P [This message has been edited by veistran (edited May 30, 2000).]
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