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Star Wars is THE trilogy, if you dont count phantom menace....although thats an interesting movie...the first time i saw it, i was blown away, thinking it was really awesome...and every time i see it, i like it less and less, im now in the disliking it...but its still quite a phenomenon.

Kolben, i challenge you to come up with a storyline that could replace all the problems you see with the matrix, and still have as good a movie. I really doubt you can, and untill you can, you shouldnt talk about the problems with other peoples work, its not your place. Id say that applies to everything though - untill you can outdo someone's work, its not your place to criticize it.

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Sith!@#$ (cant spell it), I'm gonna disagree with you on both counts. First of all, I highly doubt God appeared in star wars and apologized for something, which was what i was referring to in someone's sig. Secondly, without criticism we wouldnt get anywhere. There's this nifty phrase we've come up with, it's called constructive criticism... Believe it or not (this phrase should be acronymized into BION, dontcha think?) it works even if your not as good as the criticized person. Thats why the whole two heads is better than one idea works. Even if the second head is dumb, it can still help the first with things it might not have thought of. Wow, that was like talking to a 2-year old.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 05 2000,02:17 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

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The Matrix had quite a few good elements, I'd say its my second favorite movie, after Fight Club

Wow. Someone else that likes Fight Club. I'd have to say that the Matrix was better, but Fight Club would be my second choice for the best movie of last year. So many people I've talked to hated it. I don't really like Brad Pitt but I thought he kicked ass in that movie..and I thought it had an awesome plot. Apparently the book is FAR better. I should pick it up sometime. Someone start a thread...Fight Club: good or bad?

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Sithiee...your way of thinking here is really bugging me! I'm not a writer. People that writes the stuff are paid to do it. It's they're job. It'll be easy to top them, NOT. You say this mean I can't criticize a movie. Who are you? Jesus??

I think you are is just plain ignorant. You are taking too much extacy. I WILL criticize the fuck out of stuff I don't like. And I think it's quite funny that some people can be the way that you are. You must contain alot of anger, since you can't say your true oppinion about anything bad stuff without having to lie.

This is the rants section, and it's about oppinions (usually bad) about stuff people don't like. It's like saying that j1mmy shouldn't criticize the sun, because he can't build a better one! Go live on the moon where everybody can't bother you...

My favorite movie of all times is "The Last Boyscout". "From Dusk Till Dawn" and "Desperado" is close though.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 05 2000,06:55 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

The story in matrix has a problem and I'm saying it out loud. I even told what I thought was wrong about it. I paid for the movie and I felt that there was something wrong with it. That's what I'm saying. I'm not the writer who get's paid so why the fuck should I be the one finding the solutions? I see a movie to be entertained, and I expect it to be good. When I see a bad movie I paid for it annoys me, and I don't really care what the solutions are. Fact is that it was a bad experience, and that I could have used my money elsewhere. I won't try to make the movie better, or solve it's problems. That's not my job. That's the producers job, before it hits the big screen. And what good would it do to solve the problems either. The movie will still be the same.

This discussion is too lameass stupid, because I actually know what you mean, but I really don't care, because I've got another point of view. And you can't change that...So stop bitching about people saying what the mean, without thinking about solving the worlds problems while doing it. I'm a chemist and my job is to synthesize chemicals. Not to be a politician, not to be a writer, not to be a car manufacturer.

If someone came up to me and said "this fuckin' compound is crap" about the thing he has paid me to do, I'd analyse it and make it better. I don't expect the poor guy to come up with a solution to the problem, because he's probably not educated to do so. Like when I pay for something and it doesn't work, I'll say "it doesn't work, fix it, or give me my money back". I won't expect people to demand that I come up with a way to fix it...that's just stupid. Then I could have made it myself from the start. In my oppinion your oppinion is stupid!

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Just so you know Kolben, it's fiction; it's not supposed to be perfect. And the writers/producers did a pretty damn good job of entertaining 99.9\% of the people who saw the movie.

Every movie I have ever seen has had holes in it, but if it's entertaining, it's done its job.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 05 2000,10:27 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

...Never said the movie was bad Only that it contains bad elements...I think the movie is good as a whole. Just like I think SW 4+5+6 r0x0rs, though Mark Hamil is/was a lam0r when it comes to acting. I'm just not allowed to say so, because that pisses off Sithiee

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you say he was a lam0r. why do you say that?...back up what you say with proof...youve done it again...you say "he was a lam0r" not "he was a lam0r, because when he was fighting darth vader it didnt look real". the simple truth is, you always have opinions that are based on your perception of the fact. if your just making stuff up with out any fact to base it on, you do not have a valid argument whatsoever
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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 05 2000,15:47 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

3 really quick things:
1. Nero, tell me what the quotation and the trilogy in your sig are from.

2. You really can't define bad acting. It's kind of intuitive.

3. I have started a Fight Club vs. Matrix Thread

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no, its not the same, youre suggesting that their story has holes, but you yourself havent got an inkling of an idea what they should do to make the story work, im not saying you have to rewrite the script, but a part of constructive criticism is coming up with examples of how to improve things. for example, if i build a car, and it breaks, if you say "your car it dumb, it doesnt work" thats just stupid. if you say "your car is dumb, heres an idea to make it better" then your being constructive. all your writings up there are just saying "the matrix wouldnt work" not "the matrix wouldnt work, but it would work if this happened"...thats a big difference
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