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PsyShook 
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Posted on: May 24 2000,12:13 |
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I agree with Kolben. He's right. It's illegal and there is no excuse. I participate in it. Remember when MP3s weren't everywhere and they had gone mainstream at all. I think this started to hit when mp3.com went commercial. Then Napster made the issue explode. Anyways, MP3s are illegal no matter what happens. I do think we need to find a way to fix this problem seeing as it could possibly grow out of hand. I've been thinking of an idea on releasing MP3s that are just simply radio edit singles. I really don't think the discussion here is whether or not this should be legal, but how are we going to solve this problem.
Just my 2¥.
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Kayy
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Sorry to point out to all those people that think Napster are open to attack from any artist and that they (Napster) can be fined/sued for their service. But as is always with such programs, there is a fully legal EULA (End User Liscence Agreement) that you have to agree to to be able to install - nevermind use - the software, and it blatantly in said EULA that Napster do not take responsibility for the legality of the files transferred across their servers and that each and every individual user is responsible for his or her actions regarding the legality of their mp3 collections.If you dont believe me, read it. As far as Metallica are concerned, I urinate heavily on them and the RIAA for their recent actions, we all knew that Metallica and the RIAA were money grabbing SOB's, but this just goes to proove this fact all the more. Oh, and it was 310,000 and not 325,000 as stated by one person, I forget who. (Sorry for continuing this after so long, but it seems so many of you - though you try to argue for each side respectively - are missing major points in the argument, one of which (the EULA) I have mentioned here.) ------------------
When darkness calls and the pain and suffering begin again, you can guarantee that I shall be the instigator.
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Kevin "Kayy" Beadle, The Proprietor and Innovator of Kayyos-Vx WebDesigns.
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Sithiee
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First off, if i made software and in my EULA i said that whoever agreed to it also agrees to pay me 10 million dollars a year for the next ten years, taht would nto hold up in court, because its just plain sneaky. Also, napster is a means to an end, but they are still responsible. In the olden days of piracy, when you had to look for sites with links to mp3s, the person who administrated the site would be held repsonsible, because they are giving access to copyrighted material, which they are not in control of. There is a law (i'm doing a history project on internet piracy, so im becoming more and more versed in this stuff) that changed copyright law, so that even if there was no profit being made, aiding piracy was still a crime as though they were making a personal profit.Second, whether or not metallica rules or sucks isnt the point at hand. whether or not the riaa blows chunks or owns is also not the point. the point is the theif (person getting mp3s) is getting mp3s from the dealer (person uploading mp3s) and they were put together using the hookup (napster), now how likely is it that the theif would have hooked up with the dealer without napster? About the loss of profit. When they say they lost however much profit, they arent saying last year i made 30 dollars and this year i made 25. They are saying if everyone who owned a copy of this song payed for it, we would have 40 dollars, but i only have 30. The people who say they would have made 40 dollars are people called actuarys. They are math geniuses, and they do know what they are saying. They get payed a shitload of money for a reason. The reason that the industry profit went up is because of our friend inflation. if you make 1 trillion dollars in a year, and then inflation decreases the value of money by .1 percent, then you can have a billion dollar increase in sales and still make no more than the year before. Also props to kolben for pointing out the new band factor. When metallica reported the users to napster, they had every right. even if i own 5000 copies of the black album, that doesnt mean i have the right to share it with other people unless metallica says "Sithiee has the right to share songs from the black album whenever he pleases" only then is it legal and moral. Basically you need to grow up and accept that no matter how many times you buy the cd, its still wrong to take mp3s. on a more personal note - stop bashing metallica, if you dont like their music, fine. if you dont like what their doing, fine. But just because they have the balls not to bend over and take it up the ass like so many other people does not mean they are bad people. thats like saying "Hey Sithiee, you suck because you wouldnt let me stick my huge cock up your ass, everyone else is doing it, so you suck because you wont." No matter how childish that sounds, thats the same thing as insulting metallica cause they dont want their music pirated. ~Sithiee
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). I'm not angry, I just like a good discussion...Even though this one is getting a bit tiresome and old... 