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Originally posted by CatKnight:
hey demonk, when pepco calls to tell me that my power is going to be out daily from 5 to 8 pm for now on because environmental legislation made it too expensive to build new power plants for 30 years, I'll tell em' to just cut your power permanantly instead. atleast we won't have to listen to your pointless ramblings anymore.

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It's a free market right? Move. I'm not joking. If a lot of the people in Ca. moved because of the price of power, then maybe the power companies would lower their rates, and the power demand will go down too. The only thing to solve the Ca. energy problem will be direct intervention by the federal government in some way, but that means bigger government. Plus, I never voted on any legislation in California, especially since most of it was passed before I was born. If I had been alive then and living in California, I might have voted for it or I might not have. I don't really know since I don't know what was passed. So, please, in the future keep blame where it lies. On the people in California, not Democrats and/or Liberals in general.

Second; Have you ever even been on a logging block? Do even know how it works?

Third; Do you have ANY first hand knowledge of the pre-millyard logging industry?

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Originally posted by CatKnight:
the only way to resolve california's problems is to REDUCE legislation and restrictions, not add more.

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right. and theres only one way to skin a cat.

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Not really. I was in a somewhat badmood when I wrote it though. Seriously though, what is it that you think is wrong with it[clear cutting]?

Second; Have you ever even been on a logging block? Do even know how it works?

Third; Do you have ANY first hand knowledge of the pre-millyard logging industry?

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First, clear cutting totaly clears a land of tree, hence the name, thus removing the natural habitat for many different species of animals. These animals are then forced to relocate, sometimes they relocate to residencial areas, thus we get problems with animal controls.

Second, No.

Third, No.

But in both cases I can easily obtain information. My father has worked in the forest products industry for over 20 years, so I bet he knows a few things. There's no problem with cutting down trees. It's when we do it indiscriminatly and on incredibly large scales that we cause problems. Thining and other procedures that don't completely desimate an area are a better idea then the whole sale deforestation of clear cutting. Sorry if that isn't to your liking, but that is my opinio.

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Originally posted by CatKnight:
hey yeah good idea. lets get the millions of residents and industries to move out of california! where to? how about arizona! i'm sure askheaves would just love that! moron. the only way to resolve california's problems is to REDUCE legislation and restrictions, not add more.

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But the removal of legislation(if that is the source of problems, I dont' really know) won't create any solutions until know power plants can be built. Now I know that takes longer than a weekend. It probably takes around a year or more to create a state of the art, efficient power plant. In the mean time, you will still go without power. You want power now, then the federal government will have to step in and take control. So, until then, shut up and bare with it. You have every right to move out of state if your needs are not being met. The world does not revolve around you and your needs. Sorry if this seems a little incoherent, but I wish it was Friday already. This is going to be a long week.

Clear cutting now is much different. The "animals" are forced to relocate a maybe 2 miles. And its not as if the forests are absolutly TEEMING with wild animals and if they move they all die. Not to mention that endangered animals are fully protected (as in operations stop if someone even thinks they see a.. oh Great Horned Owl for example).

Now clear cuts are much smaller, the Hardwood tree's are left standing, creeks and shit are protected. (although you follow that creek another 20km's and the Highways have culverts that are 8' above the ground and are constantly spraying road salt and calicuim into it. You have no idea what would happen if the Forest Industry even though about doing that.)

So I think you need to update your idea of what a 'clear cut' is.

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Anyway, clear cutting sux0rs when it's old growth forest. Even a lot of loggers think that sort of thing is unnecessary.

Come to think of it, a lot of loggers would make good Democrats... we need only point out that the REAL assholes are the pencil-pushing dickheads up at corporate HQ, and we hate them just as much as the loggers do.

There's a logger / environmentalist alliance waiting to happen...

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But the removal of legislation(if that is the source of problems, I dont' really know) won't create any solutions until know power plants can be built.

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no, new power plants can't be built because of legislation.

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It probably takes around a year or more to create a state of the art, efficient power plant.

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try 10

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So, until then, shut up and bare with it.

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look, i don't live in california, stop talking to me as if i am personally griping about rolling blackouts.

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You have every right to move out of state if your needs are not being met.

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stop being a self-centered liberal prick. it's not like everyone in california can just pack up and move out.

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The world does not revolve around you and your needs.

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if by "you" you mean "the population", then YES, IT DOES, MORON.

This message has been edited by CatKnight on May 30, 2001 at 06:27 AM

About the Reagon, Bush shit you've been saying the the Liberal Manifesto threat. The economic boom we had in the 90's was not from Reagon or Bush, or even Clinton. It was because of a lot of technology companies going public. Inversters in general didn't understand them and just jumped on the bandwagon. So, the economy boomed on the back of technology companies. Clinton just happened to be in power at the time. But of course, if a Republican had been in the White House the 90's, then it would be him that caused it in your eyes. Isn't it also odd that at the same time that the technology bubble burst, so did our economy? Hmmm, you think they might have been linked? I think so. But of course, all good things must come from Republicans who where in power 20 years ago, and not from hard working people here and now.