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Originally posted by CatKnight:
you know the air quality back in the 60's was shit but once the catalytic converter was invented the air got much much better.

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You have no idea how correct that is Cat. Other countries used to laugh at us for putting cats in our cars... for example, Mexico. They didn't believe that it would work. Nowadays, CO2 is about the only thing coming out of a car (by about a 1000 to 1 ratio) when it's not in hard acceleration or decceleration mode. CO2 is a relatively safe gas... in that it isn't actually toxic.

Now, after having cats in our cars for years, our air quality is improving. Mexico City is just starting to mandate cats in new vehicles and go through emission programs because the air quality is horrible.

In America, we identify what is a real problem and work towards solving it. We start by wishing for the technology, funding research (as well as giving commercial incentive), and then legislate around feasible options. We don't sign treaties and hope our technology catches up.

'cept it turns out that the major cause of pollution in mexico city isn't the cars, but leaky propane tanks! weird, huh?

However, the whole Lewinsky scandal reeks of entrapment... certain factions of the Republican party were out to get Clinton from day one - a payback for Watergate, when
"them damn liberals" took down the most crooked president in American history.

They tried to do the same thing to Carter. Unfortunately, Carter turned out to be a better saint than a president. Clinton was a decent human being. Like all humans he made his fair share of mistakes - and the conservatives made sure to beat the hell out of EVERY mistake that he made, or could possibly have made.

As for the context question - he lied about something that had absolutely NOTHING to do about the case in which he was involved. A civil case does NOT give the prosecutors a license to ask anything they want.

Consider this :

Prosecuting attorney : "Mr. So and so, you're being sued because your dog barked at Mrs. Suehappy and scared her. So... how many times do you masturbate in a week?"

Mr. So and so : "Um, er, I don't."

Prosecuting attorney : "Really. So you don't masturbate? That's amazing. You have to get it out some other way... do you fuck sheep?"

Mr. So and so : "What? No!"

Prosecuting attorney : "Well, then, how do you get your sexual release, sir?"

Mr. So and so : "What does this have to do with anything?"

Prosecuting attorney : "Your honor, this line of questioning is necessary to show that Mr. So and so is a sexual deviant who molests his dog so that it will bark and people and scare them."

Judge : "Answer the question, Mr. So-and-so."

Mr. So-and-so : "Fine! I have sex with my wife, ok?"

Prosecuting attorney : "Ah! But here, Mr. So-and-so, is your wife's signed affidavit saying the two of you haven't had sex since your little accident five years ago!"

Mr. So-and-so : "WHAT THE HELL DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS CASE?"

Prosecuting attorney : "Folks, this is outrageous. Mr. So-and-so is a pervert and a perjurer! As good Americans, we must demand justice!!!"

ask cathleen willy what a decent human being clinton is. she'd know. he "sexually harassed" (read: raped) her.

as far as the kyoto protocols, one of the things covered there is carbon dioxide production. under the kyoto protocol, a country would have a limit on how much carbon dioxide it could produce industrially. guess what's included in the industrial quota? THE MILITARY.

so finally, all those countries that want a smaller military in the united states because it would further whatever ends they're after (countries like iraq, cuba, and china), would get what they want. that's why bush knew he had to get rid of that kyoto protocol. because it would mean the US had to cut back on military training and reduce the numbers of troops that are active.

call it paranoia all you want, but when someone else wants to reduce your ability to defend yourself, THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND ALREADY. as in 'as soon as they're weak, we attack.' common sense.

and the arsenic thing. my god, that's laughable. 'um, yeah, our regulations are SO TIGHT that there's no water on earth that has less arsenic than we allow.' puh-leeze.

do you know anyone who has a well? they're drinking ground water. many people who have wells DO NOT have the filtration equipment that a commercial water supplier is forced to have. the naturally occurring level of arsenic in their water is higher than the "minimum" that clinton set.

so how many people who have wells do you know that have died of arsenic poisoning?

the dictionary may say that a liberal is one who is 'open to new things' and 'not mired in dogma' but that's NOT true of the political liberals in the US. they're every bit as mired in dogma as the republicans are. it may be steadfastly and blidingly in opposition to the republicans but it IS STILL DOGMA.

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as far as the kyoto protocols, one of the things covered there is carbon dioxide production. under the kyoto protocol, a country would have a limit on how much carbon dioxide it could produce industrially. guess what's included in the industrial quota? THE MILITARY.

so finally, all those countries that want a smaller military in the united states because it would further whatever ends they're after (countries like iraq, cuba, and china), would get what they want. that's why bush knew he had to get rid of that kyoto protocol. because it would mean the US had to cut back on military training and reduce the numbers of troops that are active.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You really are paranoid! You have obviously proved that you have not read one single thing about the Kyoto protocal and why Bush pulled the US out of it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry, I'm just having a hard time not laughing. I several letters sent to senators from Bush, he explained why he pulled us out. He pulled us out because countried like China, Cuba, and Iraq DIDN'T SIGN THE PROTOCAL!!!!!!!! He said it was unfair for the US to have to adhere to it if other countries(i.e., countries we don't like) didn't sign it. He didn't pull us out because of the military. He did it because he was throughing a tantrum, Steve Jobs style. If not everyone is going to do the right thing, therefore the hard thing, then why should we? We should wait till everyone is going to do it before we even try. Bullshit! We are the most powerful country in the world! We can do anything that we set our minds to! We got a man on the moon with less computing power than I have in my PDA! And yet we are saying we can't cut back on our CO2 production, because it is too hard(cry me a river) and because not everyone is going to play. Grow up Bush. Stop forcing your ideals and morals and ajenda on the US and start listening to people outside you party! There are people out there that have the answers, you just have to listen to them.

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Originally posted by CatKnight:
im begining to think you are one of those dumbass hippies too demonk

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No, I have a job and I don't smoke pot or do any drugs. I'm not out huging trees, but I will voice my opinion about clear cutting. And I happen to think I'm pretty intelligent too. I have refrained from flat out calling anyone a conservative or referring to someone specific as a Republican in a negative conotation, so I ask the same from you.

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Originally posted by demonk:
No, I have a job and I don't smoke pot or do any drugs. I'm not out huging trees, but I will voice my opinion about clear cutting. And I happen to think I'm pretty intelligent too. I have refrained from flat out calling anyone a conservative or referring to someone specific as a Republican in a negative conotation, so I ask the same from you.

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What the FUCK is wrong with clear cutting? Explain to me what your completly uniformed opionion on clear cutting is, you fucking idiot.

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Originally posted by j0eSmith:
What the [b]FUCK is wrong with clear cutting? Explain to me what your completly uniformed opionion on clear cutting is, you fucking idiot.
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Please tell me that was sarcasim as it is sometimes difficult to tell through a message board.