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L33T_h4x0r_d00d 
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2002,22:11 |
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Hey a2n3d7y, does your doctor have a big fro and a fur coat? And is his office more like a street corner? And the paxil he gives you does he have a little nickname for it, like crack?
I can just picture him in the school bathroom. "What are you all lookin at? Im just tryin to take my paxil."
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2002,23:13 |
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minor correction - I got the pills on Monday, not Saturday, which means I had only take THREE pills when I made that post. Lamisil 0wns 
WG: I was talking about several different doctors. The conventional wisdom is that seborrheic dermatitis can't be cured. I visited a *lot* of websites and they all said the same thing - can't be cured, treatment = hydrocortisone + Selsun blue + clotrimazole (Lotrimin). Just taking a culture would've revealed what strain of fungus it was and the best way to kill it.
As for dysthymia - I haven't heard of ANY doctor who goes much further than "here, have some pills." They just hand you SSRI's and suggest going to therapy.
Here's a little experiment... read this list of symptoms and see if it's you when you didn't get enough sleep or slept horribly the night before:
- Difficulty concentrating, remembering or making decisions.
- Irritability
- Fatigue
- Loss of interest in ordinary activities, including sex.
- sad or "empty" mood.
- Feeling hopeless, helpless, worthless, pessimistic and or guilty.
Now imagine that you just don't sleep well in general... you'd feel those things most of the time, right? Well, those are the symptoms of depression, and sleep disorders are inevitably part of depression... it's usually said that depression causes sleep disorders, but I think it's the other way around.
Persistent sleep disorders may well be the #1 cause of depression.
Paxil gave me horrible insomnia. The doctor prescribed trazodone to help sleep. I did some research on the drug, and guess what - it improves "sleep architecture," which is the cycle your body goes through as you sleep. You get more (and deeper) deep sleep and less REM/light sleep. Especially nice thing is that it isn't a tranquilizer; it's closer to Benadryl than Valium.
I stopped taking Paxil AND trazodone over a month ago. Last week I couldn't sleep so I popped 25mg of trazodone. When I woke up in the morning I felt like I'd slept like a baby... I was ready to go out and kick the world's ass, in a good way. My mind was crystal clear, no drug hangover, nothing (it's almost completely metabolized by the time I wake up). I've been taking it ever since, and... wow... suddenly it all makes sense.
Poor sleep = feel like shit, can't think straight.
Can't think straight = making foolish decisions, or none at all.
Knowing you make bad decisions, or being unable to make up your mind = anxiety 'cause you feel stupid.
Anxiety = poor sleep.
Maybe depression isn't so much a "disease" but a symptom? Hmm....
Edited by Darth Liberus on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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demonk
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2002,00:02 |
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No, there are some very real types of depression. Maybe the one you had isn't one of them, but I know for a fact that a friend of mine had a real brain chemistry embalance. Once they took the pills (not what you were taking) for a while, they stopped having thoughts of suicide and felt much better. They were weaned off the drugs by their doctor, and suddenly, they are a completely functional person again. Sometimes drugs are the answer, but only after you have addressed the sleep/drink/eating issues.
Not all doctors are assholes. In any profession out there, there are always good ones and bad ones. Sounds like you have had nothing but bad ones. I've personally had nothing but good ones. Maybe it's just the geography. Come up to the Oregon area. Nothing but a bunch of very friendly, happy, Californian hating, intelligent people.
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2002,00:35 |
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I'm not saying that depression isn't real, or that antidepressants don't work. Paxil definately helped me. But there is a lot of evidence that the chemical imbalance theory of depression is overblown.
First, an awful lot of studies have found that SSRIs are no better than placebo. This doesn't mean that SSRIs don't do their job; what's amazing is how well a sugar pill works. I think what happens is that once you decide to kick depression's ass, you start doing all kinds of things that help alleviate it.
Antidepressants calm you down and loosen your inhibitions without impairing your ability to function too much. That's probably the key to their effect. You start thinking about things more and reacting less and eventually your automatic reactions change.
edit: moved my reply to California-bashing to a new thread
Edited by Darth Liberus on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Marauder
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2002,05:23 |
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I think something we're starting to see here is that doctors want you to take medications for symptoms continually. Chris Rock touched on this, claiming that doctors don't get enough money from cures, and would rather continue to give you meds to keep your symptoms down.
I'm starting to get worried that doctors get too many kickbacks from drug companies - and not just the post-it note pads. I think they're getting bribes to put people on stuff like damien's, so they can keep a customer and continue to sell the drug.
My father thinks he ran into a case of this a while back: A doctor he was seeing in the area would not prescribe a non-brand-name drug for him when it cost a fraction of the price and was a very reliable substitute.
Yeah, I'm not trusting doctors much anymore, either.
Besides, the voices in my head tell me they're all secretly working for the Mexican government. 
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