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demonk 
The other white meat
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Posted on: May 24 2002,20:56 |
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CK, if I thought I could hold a real discussion with you, I would post and answer you. But you won't, and I don't have the time/energy to talk to a brick wall. And again, you used a strawman attack. You said that since I am a liberal and that I didn't want to argue with you that all liberals run away, therefore liberals are weak. You accuse DSL of using it all the time, but you are the real master CK.
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CatKnight
Jedi Republican
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Posted on: May 24 2002,21:11 |
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demonk: "ooh look, I learned a new word! Now I can turn off my brain!"
I wasn't even making an argument in that last post, how could I have possibly been making a logic fallacy? the straw-man and other fallacies occur when you try to prove a point based on something other then the facts, or using incorrect logic. You can't say I am using the straw-man fallacy every time I critisize something, that's not what logic is about. I don't say you are using a fallacy every time you make a post that I disagree with, that is just childish namecalling.
I realize that I am talking to a bunch of brick walls over here, but I still try. Can't you give me the same courtesy and TRY to make a counter argument? Or is that beyond your capabilities?
It seems, thanks to demonk, that this discussion has effectively ended. I say thanks to demonk, because right at the point when he could have pinned me down with a good counter-argument, he gave up and chose to flame me instead. Oh well, his loss I suppose.
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Jynx
resident n0b0dy
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Posted on: May 24 2002,21:22 |
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demonk, i'm gonna have to side with ck's "problem/possible solution" post on this one:
- you've said that there's a lot wrong with this country, but you haven't listed what. At least ck listed some issues, and those issues are becoming commonplace. Please give some examples of what you think is wrong with this country.
- ck is NOT using straw man -- if you believe otherwise, please, enlighten me. Please read the most excellent "Fallacies" site above (thanks!).
- despite the fact that few people agree with ck, he is intelligent. It is very possible to have an intelligent conversation with him--just because YOU can't, doesn't mean it can't be done.
There's more, I'm sure, but work calls.
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damien_s_lucifer
Emperor of Detnet
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Posted on: May 24 2002,21:27 |
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::sigh::
CK's partially right; I did engage in an ad hominem attack when I went after Conservative tactics. But that's different than an ad hominem argument.
An ad hominem argument would be this - "Conservatives are hypocrites and assholes, therefore all of their arguments are false."
I didn't make that argument. What I did was set aside the debate and go directly after Veistran's tactics because he was trying to shut down the debate. The ad hominem argument does not prove or disprove anything, but it is most definately a valid attack when establishing authority:
"Joe, you've made your point. Sit down."
"You're censoring the debate! How dare you do such a thing!"
"Joe, with all due respect, you attempt to censor more ideas in any given week than I've done in my entire lifetime. That's why I'm in charge and you're not. [b]Sit down.[/i]"
I should have used the term "radical right," since the majority of conservatives play fair. CK, for instance, stays inside the bounds of good debate. He may complain a lot but he doesn't try and shut you down.
My bad on that one.
Bring up PETA and Greenpeace again in this thread, and someone's gonna die. I have nothing to do with those organizations, nor would I; they are just as bad as the radical right.
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argue debate style all you wish, but let's try and keep the political arguments in the politics forum, m'kay?
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veistran
We don't listen to people that don't like us.
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Posted on: May 24 2002,23:28 |
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| Quote (damien_s_lucifer @ 24 May 2002,15:27) | <snip>
What I did was set aside the debate and go directly after Veistran's tactics because he was trying to shut down the debate.
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Ummm... if I were trying to shut down the debate don't you think I would've done just that? I mean all it would've taken was what two, three more posts? I stopped because if one of us didn't the thread would've been deader than the horse we're beating.
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