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Beastie Dr 
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I'm not sure how old you are, or how many people you know that smoke, but if you don't know many....
A few daily smokers:
-All-state senior hockey player who will be playing in Juniors
-DII Tennis Champ
-Star Midfielder at UWM
As for the protecting people from themselves: What the fuck? The government is not there to protect people from themselves, it is only there to make sure these people do not infringe upon the rights of others.
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Bozeman
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| Quote (Beldurin @ 16 May 2002,04:43) | And remind me again of the good side of pot? I can't seem to remember.
This may be an unpopular view around here, but I think illicit drugs are that way for a reason: they're harmful. And don't give me that shit about alcohol being worse than marijuanna, because I don't buy that arguement...at all. |
Well, if there has to be a positive side to it for it to be legal, alcohol might become illegal. I can see no positive side to alcohol that cannot draw a corrolary to a positive side of pot. For example, certain chemicals in red wine can promote cardiary health, and marijuana can be used as a medical supplement. (it's great for AIDS patients, it dulls pain, and increases appetite) My point is that it seems hypocritical to keep hemp outlawed, when there are other things that are harmful which are legal.
Pot is not more harmful than alcohol, but even if it were, alcohol can still cause harm. If one is legal, both should be.
Edit: sentence structure was awkward
Edited by Bozeman on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Necromancer
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Posted on: May 17 2002,15:15 |
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And how do you suppose we go about preventing getting high passively. It doesnt work like smoking where there are smoking areas because you can't get high off of smoking.
| Quote | | Pot is not more harmful than alcohol, but even if it were, alcohol can still cause harm. If one is legal, both should be. |
what? so you mean we should have 2 dangerous substances legal as opposed to just the one just because the one you like the most isnt the legal one?
Hmm the people i do know who smoke pot. They aren't bad people or stupid. One has to go to a drug clinic each week so they can help him get off pot and heroin. the former led to the other. He has two kids to support on top of this. The others are mostly at uni. Ones an ex para so is fucked in the head anywayz so it doesnt matter much to him  another one i know just spent everyday enclosed in his room practically living off the stuff.
My system is designed to deal with toxins such as alcohol of which i don't drink all day everyday. Lungs can't regrow their damaged tissue so if they get damaged its permanent I'm not prepared to breath pot in for a fix i dont need.
Edited by Necromancer on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Bozeman
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Posted on: May 17 2002,16:34 |
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| Quote (Necromancer @ 17 May 2002,11:15) | | what? so you mean we should have 2 dangerous substances legal as opposed to just the one just because the one you like the most isnt the legal one? |
Well, I was trying to put forward the idea that this is a double standard. Both can be dangerous, but both can be used recreationally safely. Why is one legal and the other not?
If pot were legal, I would be all for designated smoking areas, closed off from other areas so smoke couldn't spread. Now you would have a three way choice at restaurants!
"Smoking, Non-smoking, or Reefer section sir?" 
But seriously, if pot were legal it shold be banned in government buildings, and other areas whrere smoke buildup could be a problem. Outside would still be ok, just like it is for cigarrette smokers. Perhaps some rules akin to alcohol. You can't go to work drunk, so you shouldn't be able to go high. No drinking and drving, so no driving while stoned.
Oh, and by the way, I don't like pot OR alcohol. I just think it's silly to ban one and not the other.
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CatKnight
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| Quote (Beastie Dr @ 16 May 2002,15:15) | | As for the protecting people from themselves: What the fuck? The government is not there to protect people from themselves, it is only there to make sure these people do not infringe upon the rights of others. |
DING DING DING DING! You win!
btw that should apply universally, to welfare, SS, socialized medicine, etc.
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Beldurin
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Posted on: May 18 2002,00:35 |
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| Quote (Beastie Dr @ 16 May 2002,22:15) | | As for the protecting people from themselves: What the fuck? The government is not there to protect people from themselves, it is only there to make sure these people do not infringe upon the rights of others. |
I agree, except for the fact that people smoking infringes on my right...and my health. So, in conclusion: ban cigarrette smoking, too.
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Beastie Dr
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Well, driving cars infringes on my health, so ban that too. Anyways, smoking can at least be done at home. Not too many people are willing to spark a joint out in public, at least in the US.
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C_Puppy
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Hey, Of course you all remember when alcohol was as illegal as Pot right? We had mobsters up the ass, more people died because of it, and when we legalized alcohol-- what happened? NOTHING, so sure stuff like cocaine and crack- crystal meth, and heroin should be kept on the illegal side of things. Why you ask? Because those drugs as was said earlier in this thread, cause a Hell of alot more harm than the legal recreational drugs (caffine, alcohol, effedrine, and especially nicotein) do and I say that with as many people that use Mary Janes these days-- I believe that the goverment would save more lives if they regulated it-- then taxed it to pay for any treatment programs needed.
When fermented elderberrys first came out in the early to mid 18th century to be sold as Gin in england -- the lower classes who were forced into poverty, unemployed because of the industrial revolution got fuckin drunk as a life-style for several decades. Sure alcohol is addictive but anything can be habbit forming if you feel it helps you escape a hopless situation.
So okay a little off the initial point-- but all I have to say is I would rather tax a relatively non-addictive substance than pay for the 60-70% of all prisioners doing time for drug related charges.
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redpanic
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The only problem I have with legalizing any of this is that people, left to their own devices, will generally abuse their privileges.
On the other hand, people who just flat out don't like something, will argue to the death why it should be banned.
Consider this - If we were to legalize pot, it would certainly gain popularity just as alcohol has. If it gets to the point that there is a problem, or it can no longer be controlled, then we can never take it away. Once the public has the freedom, they are unwilling to give it up.
The case with alcohol is similar. Alcohol has become fairly accepted overall. We cannot simply "ban alcohol" after society has already become accustomed to it. Our only recourse now are national "dont drink and drive" campaigns and special interest groups. The drug has spawned a myriad of problems and anti-abuse programs to go along with it. Legalizing alcohol left us with no other recourse but to deal with the problematic result of our actions.
I suspect that if we legalized marijuana, the same would happen.
If we can agree that the potential for [the] abuse of pot is the same as it is for alcohol - then we can also agree that the potential for problems as a result of legalization is just as real.
PS: I have plenty of friends that smoke pot. I hold nothing against them - it's their choice. I'll just never hire them - that's my choice.
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