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wix 
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Posted on: Jul. 08 2002,06:51 |
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| Quote | | Right now, the Republican party is out of control. We've got a very powerful Republican president, and his party does just about anything he says... only a Democratic Congress can keep this guy in check, as well as making sure the Supreme Court nominees are nice and moderate. |
Umm, the consitution says the president gets to appoint with the advice and consent of the senate, not the congress. Right now the senate is controlled by democrats are able to check the supreme court nominations fine. Besides, these hardline repubs your refering to aren't very vast, the moderates could still kill the nomination.
| Quote | | In two years we may get the Republicans out of the White House, at which point it will *still* be a good idea to have the Democrats in charge of Congress for a couple years. The Republican party needs to have its power cut long enough for the moderates to retake the party and cast out the dipshits. |
I have to agree with part of your analysis, it's terrible when one party takes all the power. Like how the republicans snuck a sneek bill that killed the ergonomics regulations, or bills dealing with the steel tariffs. The only part I find hard to believe is that the hard line elements will disapear becuase we force them from power.
This has to do with the fact that hotly contested seats are usually in 'swing' districts, e.g. neither the republicans or the democrats have a solid win. In order for either side to win the district you can pretty much bet they will be moderates in either condition. But many districts aren't moderate, they are hardliners, and as long as these hardline districts continue to exist so do the hardline canidates.
I think the only balancing that really comes is by hoping people elect equal numbers of hardliners (or at least enough moderates) to mitigate the damage they can do to our economy. Anyways, this whole thing only points out the failure of representative government.
But for the most part I agree with DL, I hope the repubs lose the house, and the dems gain more solid majority in the senate (I would help with this, but being from california my vote hardly matters).
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wix
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Posted on: Jul. 08 2002,06:52 |
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I thought the question asked what we thought was going to happen, not what will happen.
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veistran
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Posted on: Jul. 08 2002,23:35 |
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| Quote (Darth Liberus @ 01 July 2002,18:37) | Bob Dole 0wns j00  |
he did get kansas some fucking great roads 
anyway, WG, can I be minister o' pants and sarcasm?
more serious note:
my vote would be for libertarians taking over
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jul. 08 2002,23:59 |
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yeah... the Libertarians would keep the Commies out of our government and fluoride out of our water. They're good people 
wix, you're right about the Senate. I was thinking it would be hilarious to watch Dubya try and fight against a Congress filled with angry Democrats...
but as long as the Dems hold on to the Senate, I'll be happy.
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wix
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Posted on: Jul. 09 2002,03:13 |
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personally, I hope the repubs lose it all. As for the liberitarians, I really like MOST of their beliefs, but their stance on foriegn policy is rediculous, same with some of their opinions on regulations.
Greens are just as bad. Socialists are tax mongers. Republican's are corporate propagandists, and democrats are wanna-be liberal tax raising assholes.
Not much choice here. As hellen keller said: "We pick between tweedledee and tweedledum."
God I wish they could all lose.
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demonk
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Posted on: Jul. 09 2002,16:04 |
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Solution: Just vote me Supreme Ruler and all your problems will be solved
I'm fair and honest. All the skeletons in my closet are small and ones I'm not really embaressed about, so there wouldn't be a bunch of political scandels.
I really ethical, so I can't be bought (not even for a meeellion dollars!
I actually CARE about this country, unlike most of our leaders who just want the power.
Oh, and every Friday will be "clothing optional" days
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ic0n0
I have become Death, Destroyer of Worlds
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,19:22 |
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Myth: "Had the 1994 Republican Congress failed to reign in spending, we would not be approaching a balanced budget today is something the naysayers said was impossible."
Truth: The last four budgets passed by a Democratic Congress enlarged the federal government by 14.4 percent. The four budgets the Republican Congress passed have enlarged the federal government by 13.9 percent. This could hardly be called "reigning in spending." In fact, the first three Republican budgets increased spending faster than the Democratic budgets. Go here for the fraud of the century.
Myth: "Democratic presidential frontrunner Al Gore's vision of America includes an even more intrusive federal government. Just this week, he promised federal intervention to micromanage such local problems as traffic control. Patrick Henry is rolling over in his grave."
Truth: The federal government already micromanages traffic control -- and rapid transit and local highways and auto specifications and almost everything else related to your car. Republicans voted for these intrusions. Why should you believe they will suddenly start opposing such boondoggles? Calvin Coolidge is rolling over in his grave.
Myth: "Democrats favor injecting more federal money into education and increasing federal control over local school decisions. Republicans favor less federal control and the adoption of school-choice measures with the belief that added competition will improve the quality of public and private schools."
Truth: Democrats and Republicans both spend your money. Both believe the federal government should decide how your school system should operate. They argue only over how to spend your money. Neither party says your money shouldn't go to Washington in the first place. Neither suggests getting the federal government completely out of education -- as the Constitution demands. Neither proposes to repeal the income tax, so you can use what you earn to put your child in any school you want.
Myth: "With the tantalizing prospect of budget surpluses, Democrats are already champing at the bit to repeal legislatively imposed spending caps that have been instrumental in bringing the federal budget nearly into balance for the first time in three-plus decades. Republicans insist on adhering to the caps."
Truth: Republican Congressmen have already busted the budget caps -- when they approved the 1999 budget, when they voted the biggest farm subsidies in history (three years after voting to "phase out" farm subsidies), when they vote year after year to make government more expensive for you, more intrusive into your life, more and more like Big Brother. Go here for the fraud of the century.
Myth: "Republicans advocate saving Social Security by programs involving partial privatization. Clinton and his cohorts stringently oppose privatization and favor instead a shell game involving a double counting, accounting scam that uses non-existent budget surpluses (which are actually temporary Social Security surpluses)."
Truth: Talk about a shell game! The Republican con-game will have you paying the exorbitant Social Security tax for the rest of your working life -- while the Republicans dangle the carrot of Social Security privatization in front of you to happen in some sweet bye and bye. Republican Sen. Phil Gramm's proposal will privatize Social Security over 60 years ! If you don't believe in reincarnation, the Republicans have nothing to offer you.
Myth: "Republicans advocate overhauling the Medicare system with elements of privatization and reductions in automatic cost increases. ... Clinton Democrats still support socialized medicine."
Truth: Yes, Democrats support socialized medicine -- and so do Republicans. The Republican Congress passed the Kennedy-Kassenbaum bill and the Kennedy-Hatch bill -- each giving the federal government more authority over your health, your doctor, and your insurance company. Is this how Republicans protect us from socialized medicine?
Myth: "Clinton has systematically emasculated the military while expanding our commitments throughout the world."
Truth: President Clinton has been exploiting the precedents set by Ronald Reagan and George Bush -- waging wars unconstitutionally without declarations by Congress. Do you remember the Republican incursions into Libya, Nicaragua, Granada, El Salvador, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Panama, the Philippines? The Republicans invented the idea that any problem in the world is an excuse for the U.S. military to invade a sovereign nation. If Clinton's actions have put us in danger -- and they have -- it's because he's using policies and precedents established by his Republican predecessors. A foreign sovereign nation must be attacked to vigorously and overwhelmingly defend the US against miltaristic or potential militaristic aggression or encroachment of US sovereignty only.
Myth: "Republicans since Reagan have supported a strategic missile defense initiative to protect the nation against burgeoning nuclear threats from numerous countries."
Truth: Republican Richard Nixon signed the ABM Treaty, outlawing a missile defense. No Republican, not even Ronald Reagan, has done anything concrete to provide such a defense -- which probably would be the one truly sensible military policy. Instead, 15 years after Ronald Reagan raised the missile-defense issue, billions of dollars have been spent and we aren't one step closer.
Why didn't Ronald Reagan demand it?
Why hasn't the Republican Congress demanded it?
Why are we still vulnerable to any two-bit dictator who can get his hands on a nuclear missile?
Probably because the vulnerability is used to justify a multitude of big-government military programs that Republicans and Democrats impose upon us.
Myth: "Only after the recent revelations concerning China's theft and development of nuclear delivery technology are the Democrats beginning to come around on this vital issue."
Truth: The Democrats have proposed a sham defense that will make us no safer from a missile attack. As with so many fake reforms, the Republicans support it -- and claim credit for bringing it about.
Myth: "Had defeatist Republicans prevailed in 1980, Ronald Reagan would never have been nominated nor elected ... We might still be fighting the Cold War."
Truth: Historians still argue over what caused the Great Depression; so I'm sure they'll argue beyond our lifetime over what ended the Cold War. The one certain conclusion --- that the Republican legend, Ronald Reagan, started an arms race that bankrupted the Communists --- makes no sense. Republicans tell us Reagan's missile-defense proposal was too much for the Soviets. Why? The U.S. did nothing to implement it, and the Soviets didn't have to match a non-existent program. The real truth is that the Soviet economy was already in shambles, teetering on the brink of collapse. Intelligence sources knew of this imminent collapse and merely jumped on a political band wagon, claiming that our military strength forced the Soviet economic implosion.
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Bozeman
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,21:09 |
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Good work, Ic0n0, now can you post a link to this source? I'd appreciate it a lot. It's really cool.
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demonk
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,21:15 |
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Good thing CK isn't around. I think his head would have exploded, then he would really have started to get mad!
I wanted to point out one thing I noticed in all that. The author did not condem the Repulicans and saintify the Democrats. He condemed both parties, since they both pretty much server the same master: big business. The main difference between the two (that I've seen anyway), is that Republicans have the "religious right" and the Democrats have the "pot smoking hippies". That's about it.
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demonk
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,23:29 |
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Heh, you were all right. CK is still around. Started talking to me over AIM earlier about this post thinking I was bozeman.
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