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stray_kitten
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2002,20:14 |
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FW...I am new to forums. Believe it or not, this is the very first forum I have posted to. I usually prefer to interact with people in person.
Have I done something to trigger your distrust/suspicion? Broken some "etiquette"? If you (or anyone) has any hints to offer, I'm open to suggestions.
My intentions? Just to have some (mostly) intelligent dialogue with people that have different viewpoints/perspectives. I've been stuck in grad school all year and have been thinking mostly about "school related" stuff. I wanted some "fresh" topics and good discourse. That's all. No hidden agendas. Promise.
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Post Number: 22
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forumwhore
Fear Me, I Am Change.
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2002,20:34 |
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Yer whore isn't mad at you at all, the opposite.
It is obvious to me you have been to other forums or your IQ is off the scales.
First forum, my ass.
Please continue regular posting, kitten.
You interest me, kitten. Where else have I met you?
Would you mind if I gave you an avatar? Already picked one out and stuff...
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Post Number: 23
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Nikita
Princess of Darkness Spy. Assassin. Seductress.
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2002,20:50 |
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Quote (forumwhore @ 18 July 2002,15:34) | Would you mind if I gave you an avatar? Already picked one out and stuff... |
Dude please don't let it be the one you've used ... you know, the cat with the "my master just gave me an enema - rrrreeowwrr!" face!
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Post Number: 24
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TheTaxMan
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2002,21:41 |
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Quote (redpanic @ 18 July 2002,11:54) | and yes, the death penalty is the right way to go. we don't enforce it enough - people don't fear the death penalty because it is rarely used. |
Hahaha, this is just straight up BS. Rarely used like what? They kill shit tons of people in Texas, Florida, any number of other moronic states, every year.
The death penalty is an archaic Eye For an Eye notion that should have died out w/ the babylonians. Just another one of those things that keep society in the stone age.
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Post Number: 25
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stray_kitten
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2002,03:27 |
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Red Panic, I admit I'm a bit of an idealist.
I don't think "make America healthy" is THE answer. I won't even say that it's a large part of the answer. But it sure helps (and I imagine it would help decrease the cost of healthcare as well). Organ transplants are needed. No question about that. Taking them from criminals...different question.
Are you saying you would take them from Death Row inmates...or inmates in general? Your argument seems to imply in general since you mention people being released and then locked up. Are you then saying that you want to increase the number of people we should kill? At what level of crime do we start harvesting organs?
I think the idea of cloning organs has some merit. Granted, I haven't done a lot of research, but I've come across some interesting points such as the fact that a good portion of organ transplants don't survive past the 3rd year...even with anti-rejection drugs. And the anti-rejection drugs have some nasty side effects too. I haven't done enough of my own research to figure exactly what I think about organ cloning, but it seems to be a good answer. The ethics that can become involved with the "what ifs" are a different discussion.
<aside> FW...this really is my first forum. I won't claim the high IQ, though. I'll just take it as a compliment that you think my comments are interesting. Thanks!
As far as the avatar...since I haven't picked one, sure! I'm interested to see what you've picked out.
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Post Number: 26
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redpanic
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2002,03:50 |
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[quote=TheTaxMan,18 July 2002,15:41]Hahaha, this is just straight up BS. Rarely used like what? They kill shit tons of people in Texas, Florida, any number of other moronic states, every year.
Shit tons? Hardly. What number would be too many? What number would be just right? How many people does a person have to kill to deserve to die?
Give people something to fear, and maybe there won't be quite as much crime. Even if there is, we limit the prison population. We are too easy on criminals as it is....too many lawyers, too many laws, and far too many appeals.
If they screw up, they pay the price - if that means their life, so be it.
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Post Number: 27
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TheTaxMan
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2002,06:55 |
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Quote | Shit tons? Hardly. What number would be too many? What number would be just right? How many people does a person have to kill to deserve to die?
Give people something to fear, and maybe there won't be quite as much crime. Even if there is, we limit the prison population. We are too easy on criminals as it is....too many lawyers, too many laws, and far too many appeals.
If they screw up, they pay the price - if that means their life, so be it. |
As you completely missed the point.
You said rarely used which is a completely subjective term. I countered with shit tons, hoping you would see your error (apparently not). If you can't infer from my post that zero is the right amount you're beyond all help.
Ruling by fear is also known as coersion and it's something that Hitler and Stalin did well.
By the way, the kill maybe 2 people a month in Texas (depending on who the governer is). (link)
That's a lot of people. I don't see how 'we need to execute more people for the death penalty to work properly' is valid argument.
Edited by TheTaxMan on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Post Number: 28
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BlackFlag
Objections noted; Notes discarded.
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2002,08:58 |
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1. A man's body is his own. 2. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post Number: 29
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redpanic
Nero fiddled...
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2002,09:06 |
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Quote | ...You said rarely used which is a completely subjective term. I countered with shit tons, hoping you would see your error (apparently not). If you can't infer from my post that zero is the right amount you're beyond all help
Ruling by fear is also known as coersion and it's something that Hitler and Stalin did well.
By the way, the kill maybe 2 people a month in Texas (depending on who the governer is). (link)
That's a lot of people. I don't see how 'we need to execute more people for the death penalty to work properly' is valid argument. |
2 people/month? Ok...24/year. So what? Doesn't sound like a large number...but hey, that's subjective too, right?
Per making a valid argument...
If it isn't used as often as it could be, then people have no reason to fear it. Likewise, if the process of appeals takes quite a long time, they know there is no immediate punishment.
All I'm saying is make the punishment severe, immediate, and without leniency.
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Post Number: 30
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Necromancer
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Posted on: Jul. 19 2002,16:08 |
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this is a silly idea but this IS america we're talking about so it could happen.
prisoner A is convicted and sentanced to death for harvesting
prisoner A is then found innocent
persons who were responsible for finding him guilty are then trialed for the murder of an innocent man
we now have prisoners B + C + D....
they get killed and harvested
the appeal finds this was unjust and now persons E+F+G+H+I+J+K+.... are up for the chop
how is this possible?
because someone is gonna gain from all these extra organs perhaps the company getting a subsidy for transpoting the organs mabye. therefore we have somone in power deliberately killing people for organs cos it gets them money.
just thought i'd put forward somethign ridiculous but money or power is involved in everything so there's no reason why there shouldnt be some reason political or personal to deliberately find people guilty so that they can be harvested for organs.
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