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Pravus Angelus 
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Posted on: Jun. 15 2002,01:07 |
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The problem with attacks on the first amendment is the very small ones are pretty reasonable. Unfortunately they lay the foundation for the very critical ones.
Obviously there's good reason why you shouldn't yell fire in a crowded theatre (the classic example). And I think it's fair to say that slander and libel legistlation is not entirely without cause.
On the other hand, hate crime legislation is absurdity written into law, and worse it paves the way for even more disturbing regulation of speech and thought.
The idea of a true freedom of speech seems like it could justly be refined a little bit, but as soon as you let freedom of speech go even a little, you give ground that becomes the foundation for very serious infractions on free speech. This is one area where it seems even one exception is an exception too many.
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j0eSmith
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Posted on: Jun. 17 2002,07:36 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 12 June 2002,13:26) | | and will hopefully be vetoed (although I don't count on it). |
I really wouldn't count on it. If I recall correctly, Switzerland is a true democracy, wherein a majority vote is the final say in anything.
I remember listening to CBC Radio at work one night, they were reporting on a Swiss town that had voted to allow current citizens choose which immigrants that'd been living there were allowed to become citizens themselves.
The Swiss government upheld the desicion saying: "To take the power away from the people even just once, is to take it away forever."
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jun. 17 2002,10:35 |
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| Quote (kuru @ 14 June 2002,10:13) | | If you call the guy a dumb motherfucker, you better have some proof. |
George Learns About Global Warming.
He didn't buy it.
As for the Swiss, let's all remember that they happily helped out the Nazis in WWII. A country devoted to democracy and freedom, my ass...
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Bozeman
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Posted on: Jun. 17 2002,15:37 |
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When asked what was his favorite book as a child, W responded "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" by Eric Carlisle. While a quality children's book, it was published shortly after W graduated from college.
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jun. 17 2002,19:40 |
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I'm not surprised, given that Dubya still hasn't left childhood.
Back on topic...
if the Republicans passed hate speech legislation about retards, then we wouldn't be able to talk shit about Georgie.
Something to consider!
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Posted on: Jun. 17 2002,19:46 |
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I still say he wouldn't be prez if his daddy wasn't...
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 17 2002,22:09 |
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hey you can blurt out all the childish insults and meaningless conjecture you want, you just sperate yourselves that much further from reality.
as for the EPA's so-called golbal warming study, I found out through some research that it is bunk. It was directly verbatim plageruized from another report, which was based on canadian data. the "proof" for global warming was based on computer models that were so shaky, that random guessing was more accurate. basically what they did was run the computer simulation over and over again until they got a random result that agreed with their theory, then published it. then the EPA stole it. bush didn't want to piss off the moderate democrats he is trying to please so he just played it off. if you want sources im me later when i get home from work.
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kuru
Detonate.net's 9mm wielding geek-hit-Goddess
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Posted on: Jun. 18 2002,14:47 |
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| Quote | | When asked what was his favorite book as a child, W responded "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" by Eric Carlisle. While a quality children's book, it was published shortly after W graduated from college. |
Cite?
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jun. 19 2002,01:58 |
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why is it that when people here want to attack so-called "liberal" issues, or just liberals in general, there are no requests for cites... but when we make a funny about Dubya, we get lectured about providing appropriate documentation?
back on topic for a moment, while everyone is jumping up and down and ranting about the feared HATE SPEECH legislation... let's remember the big circle-jerk we had a few years ago about FLAG BURNING.
I burned one in my front yard the day it was banned by Congress. I wasn't worried a bit, because I knew damn well what would happen, and sure enough it did. A few months later, the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional.
If this legislation passes, guess what... the SAME THING WILL HAPPEN.
In the meantime, let me ask you what's worse - burning a piece of cloth, or inciting people to kill?
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 19 2002,03:04 |
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| Quote | | why is it that when people here want to attack so-called "liberal" issues, or just liberals in general, there are no requests for cites... but when we make a funny about Dubya, we get lectured about providing appropriate documentation? |
you answered your own question there, bubba. when we attack liberal issues, we are ranting about idiocy that happens in real life. you return in kind with ficticious banter against Bush's intelligence.
| Quote | | If this legislation passes, guess what... the SAME THING WILL HAPPEN. |
if it happened in the US, I'm sure it would. we are, however, talking about switzerland.
| Quote | | In the meantime, let me ask you what's worse - burning a piece of cloth, or inciting people to kill? |
burning a piece of cloth, if that cloth happens to be my bill of rights.
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