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Pravus Angelus 
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Posted on: May 31 2002,18:42 |
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Sorry Kuru, I didn't mean that first part to be a reiteration of what you said...I actually started typing that before you posted.
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kuru
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Posted on: May 31 2002,19:04 |
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Simulpost. No problem whatsoever.
I'd also like to say that I do agree with your point about comparitive life.
A 'lower middle class life' may seem like it sucks in this country because things like cable tv, internet access, two cars per family, JNCO jeans and hundred dollar sneakers seem like 'necessities' to have a good life here.
So if you compare and say 'I can't afford digital cable, broadband, $80 jeans, trips to Europe, etc' like rich people can, you get a MUCH different result than if you compare say, the life of a 'lower middle class' (IOW, 'poor' person in say, Serbia or Russia, or what would be considered a fairly wealthy person in Ethiopia or Afghanistan (whose one and only black and white tv was buried under the sand in the back yard for thirty years, who does not have dental or health care at all, who can't get a free public education), well, the 'lower middle class' American doesn't really have it that bad on a global scale.
Or, in the words of JFK "Too long in America have the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness stood for a life of privilege."
Head over to one of those places where being 'rich' means a meal once a week, stand in front of 1,000 of them and say you have one 1-way ticket to live 'poor' in America. I think some of the people here would be shocked at how hard they'll all fight to get that ticket. Because quite frankly, compared to some of the world, 'poor' here is an improvement.
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'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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damien_s_lucifer
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Posted on: May 31 2002,20:50 |
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you're explaining the Federal / State / local thing to me because...?
I'm all for local / State control. And Federal control. It just depends on where it makes the most sense.
So much for that issue.
As for Vodoo Economics... I spent a few minutes recovering from an insane laughing fit after I read that one. Since the inception of trickle-down policy, the rich have gotten richer, the poor have gotten poorer, and the middle class have stayed the same.
Yeah. Trickle-down works real well.
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CatKnight
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Posted on: May 31 2002,20:57 |
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mmm stupidity overload, loosing motivation to post anymore...
ah well why not
Bob Dole's proposal for a 15 percent income tax cut has reignited the long-standing debate about the economic impact of Reaganomics in the 1980s. This study assesses the Reagan supply-side policies by comparing the nation's economic performance in the Reagan years (1981-89) with its performance in the immediately preceding Ford-Carter years (1974-81) and in the Bush-Clinton years that followed (1989-95).
On 8 of the 10 key economic variables examined, the American economy performed better during the Reagan years than during the pre- and post-Reagan years.
· Real economic growth averaged 3.2 percent during the Reagan years versus 2.8 percent during the Ford-Carter years and 2.1 percent during the Bush-Clinton years.
· Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.
· Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency.
· The only economic variable that was worse in the Reagan period than in both the pre- and post-Reagan years was the savings rate, which fell rapidly in the 1980s. The productivity rate was higher in the pre-Reagan years but much lower in the post-Reagan years.
This study also exposes 12 fables of Reaganomics, such as that the rich got richer and the poor got poorer, the Reagan tax cuts caused the deficit to explode, and Bill Clinton's economic record has been better than Reagan's.
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damien_s_lucifer
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Posted on: May 31 2002,22:20 |
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Ah, yes, the ever-neutral Cato organization. If they say it, then it MUST be true, roflmao... and hey! They like Fox News!
While we're discussing the brilliance of Conservative policy, let's also consider the effects of Dubya's beloved nukes, shall we? This link is rather enlightening...
It's a dangerous world out there, folks. Good thing we have Junior to go out and piss people off!
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CatKnight
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Posted on: May 31 2002,23:48 |
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can't win the argument? why not change the subject and/or resort to scare tactics! hey, you'd make the democrats proud.
btw the cato site's analysis is backed up with tons of credible sources. you have not posted ONE source, nor have you even met my earlier challenge to post even ONE specific example of republicans doing evil things! Why don't you shut the fuck up now, please?
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CatKnight
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Posted on: May 31 2002,23:51 |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,54093,00.html
| Quote (John Gibson @ Fox News) | Baldwin: ... But if you watched FOX and all those other fascists over there, that's exactly what they would have had you believe.
So what if Al Gore had been president? I can think of a few things that wouldn't have been to my taste. Would he have been a proper all- American president reacting as he should to the outrageous Sept. 11 attacks? I suppose.
About the "fascists" at FOX... that would be me and others, who not only disagree with the eldest of the many Baldwins, but can present a much more convincing argument than he can muster, unless he's got Aaron Sorkin or some other scriptist providing the text.
What is the definition of a fascist? A person who does not allow a countervailing opinion or position, someone who not only insists he or she is right, but makes damn sure the other side never gets heard. That cannot be said of FOX. The other side gets heard here all the time. In fact, you could say it's impossible to shut the other side up, even if we were to try.
What I think is going on here is this: We are called fascists because Baldwin has lost the argument so consistently of late, and he's not accustomed to losing the argument.
When his president was in charge, the Baldwin view of things was on top. He and his people decided they were not only correct, but there simply wasn't a chance any other view could be correct.
For them, the argument always ends with... "Why can't you see the obvious, you simpleton?" If you continue to say you don't buy whatever it is they are selling, then you graduate from simpleton to fascist.
That, in a nutshell, is the definition of fascism.
In fact, Mr. Baldwin... next time you gaze longingly into a mirror, you'll be looking at the very face of fascism.
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What do YOU see when you look in the mirror, DSL?
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damien_s_lucifer
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Posted on: Jun. 01 2002,01:15 |
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a man who is the proud descendent of a servant family that killed their masters during the French Revolution.
guess they were tired of eating cake...
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 01 2002,05:30 |
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a democrat who's PROUD of being white? thats gotta be a first...
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Pravus Angelus
Codito Ergo Sum
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Posted on: Jun. 01 2002,06:36 |
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| Quote (damien_s_lucifer @ 31 May 2002,12:50) | | you're explaining the Federal / State / local thing to me because...? |
you were defending the notion of 'big government', which is typically used in reference to large scale federal governing...
hence my reply.
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