because of such a massive loss of life people seek some sort of answer of retribution. well it may be hard to hear this but killing more people wont bring them back. and eye for an eye doesnt work. why nuclear war is so despised? because if one country starts throwing nukes at us we should throw more back? no one really wants that and yet they still seem to think that they should. if you listen to the people who have delt with terroism in the past they will tell you that fighting terrorism with more terrorism doesnt work. terrorists dont exist via borders and nationalities they exist via ideology and opinion. if we start throwing weapons of desturction at certain countries we will just show ourselves to be as bad as they are.

the source to this problem may sound pretty boring and non-aggressive but it really isnt. if we were to try and implement such a treaty that would say that harbouring any terrorist for whatever reason is illegal and have this made as geneva convention then you can cut terrorism off at its heart as there is nowhere for them to hide. the whole deal with the IRA has shown britain that you cant fight terrorists. even though they kill hundreds of people for their ideals you cant fight back. its taken many years to even get close to peace here and to be honest we have had to just sit and take what they dish out at us but we are finally getting close to resolving this.

the quick fix NEVER works people. this moight not be over for a while and mabye more people will die because of it but trying to stop this by acting in desperation will cause more harm. people have said that if the choice had to be made they would rather shoot the planes down than let more people die. well i think this stance really should be taken to this situation as a whole. we need to accept which is worse small sacrifice or massive sacrifice

you dont want somehting like this to happen again. then why do you insist on calling for action that will enrage people to do even worse! these are the reason that terrorism works because we react the way that they know we will. bush is in for a real surprise if he REALLY thinks that he has universal approval of retribution. he is trying to fight a battle where there is none. slobadan melosavich is responsible for thousands of deaths too but we dont seek his blood because we arent as affected. we give him trial and whatever happens to him we know that the right thing has been done. we should catch these monsters but we should NOT stain our hands with blood to do so.

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simultaneity is not absolute. So just because you think i'm wrong, from my frame of reference i'm right!

This message has been edited by Dark Knight Bob on September 13, 2001 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by CatKnight:
the quick fix ALWAYS works, if it is done right. DKB, fuck you. You are in the UK. Fuck NATO. This wasn't an "attack on freedom around the globe". This was an act of WAR on the UNITED STATES. It is up to US to strike back. If you don't like it, fuck off.

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need i remind u CK that u despise people who think about nuclear power via their emotions and gut reaction exactly the way you are doing right now. and also i dont know if ur head has been up ur ass the last 48 hours but it wasnt JUST american people who died theres some 200 confirmed dead british people in there. there isnt a way to get a quick fix to work right! you've just shown that u are in no way thinking straight

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simultaneity is not absolute. So just because you think i'm wrong, from my frame of reference i'm right!

You act as though you were the first people to ever get bombed by terrs. Wake up sunshine! Coffee's cold. I dare you to be able to deliver ONE valid instance where the quick fix worked. I double dog dare you.

What you are now experiencing is how the other half of the world lives day to day.
My sister lives in South Africa. Do you realise what it's like knowing that she pays 'rape' insurance just so she can afford HIV treatment if the unthinkable occurs? That's how prevalent it is. The odds are 2 to 1 that a women gets raped over there.
Everyone bitches in the UK because there's no trash cans in the underground. Why? Cause overseas funding lets the IRA put bombs in bins in places like that.
I am no-one, yet my fathers store was bombed twice while I grew up. I was about 200 meters from the London docklands bombing. My own mother has been held at gunpoint and knifepoint in her own home. She even owned a fucking gun. We had a company hired guard at our front door 24/7 foor 3 months once when my dad had to fire a store union steward. The guy swore revenge. Who the fuck needs to live like that? And I count myself one of the fortunate ones in this world.

You have NO idea what the fuck you're talking about when you talk of terrorism and how you should deal with it. For most of the world this type of action is a daily occurence. Not on the same scale obviously, but it's just as personal and it makes you just as dead.

Do you have ANY pillowcases at home that don't have eyeholes cut out of them?

You want one example? Bombing Libya, against Omar Kadafi.

notice how the opinions of people who have actually lived with terroism are different to yours and re apply your "theory"

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simultaneity is not absolute. So just because you think i'm wrong, from my frame of reference i'm right!

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Originally posted by CatKnight:
the quick fix ALWAYS works, if it is done right. DKB, fuck you. You are in the UK. Fuck NATO. This wasn't an "attack on freedom around the globe". This was an act of WAR on the UNITED STATES. It is up to US to strike back. If you don't like it, fuck off.

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Two words: Fucking dickhead.

What is important to remember is that when people die, they are gone for good. No retaliation will change that. But if we can kill Osama bin Laden and as many of his associates as we can find, then they too are gone for good. We will not be able to eliminate every single person who would consider committing an act of terrorism, but by eradicating known terrorists and destroying their resources, we can give their would-be followers a huge setback. It is imperative that we destroy the networks, leadership, financial backing, and technical expertise that facilitate large scale terrorism. We need to show that no place on Earth is safe for terrorists - and that countries (like Afghanistan) that support terrorists will not be allowed to exist.

This is not about "dropping down to their level," it is not about morals or justice or revenge. It is about protecting our national security and our survival. Free nations cannot co-exist with terrorists. Period.