Forum: Rants
Topic: US Television Networks
started by: Cyrino
Posted by Cyrino on May 31 2000,21:24
Can someone please tell me why US TV networks suck so much?I mean, no offence to Americans, but you have shome shitty networks!!
In Canada, you're allowed to swear on TV! Where as on, say Comedy Central, they bleep out "ass" and I really find that annoying. So, I say that the US censors loosen up a bit and remove the large object from their assholes!!! ------------------
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Posted by j1mmy on May 31 2000,21:51
Cartoon Network rules.It would be great if they could show the unAmericanized versions of DragonBall Z, though. Censorship is pretty lame. I stayed at a hotel in Praque once where half the channels on the TV were pornography. Hardcore pornography. We Americans are all prudes I guess.
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Posted by Cyrino on May 31 2000,21:58
Ok, I'll agree with you, the Cartoon Network does kick ass, but that's different. Also, it would be nice if they did show the episodes in entirety for DBZ, they end up cutting out like 10 minutes, cause cartoons go on for 40 minutes in Japan.
It would be nice if they fixed that...
Oh, and Gundam Wing rules too!!!------------------
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Posted by AnimalPrime on Jun. 01 2000,19:32
See just another point showing that canada is clearly the best part of north america! and BDZ and Gundam Wing..do rule!! I love canada...but they shouldn't have cancled traders!!!------------------
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Posted by Octavian on Jun. 04 2000,22:46
as far as american television, yes, it sucks. it is censored so much because of who founded our country. freakin' puritans. whereas canada was founded by the french; enough said. but we can curse a little bit. i was watching ucb on comedy central, and they didn't bleep the words ass or pussy, and they showed a dolphin's head bobbing up and down in a guy's lap while he yelled "suck it!" it was set in the plot that a dolphin gave a guy head. that's pretty lenient, but they do hack movies apart to put on cable.
Posted by AnimalPrime on Jun. 05 2000,14:58
pissss..canada wasn't founded by the french eh  ..it was part of the empire..and is now a big part of the common wealth...there is however a section of canada that is french..but the french didn't "FOUND" canada..the english help canadians establish responisble government...but yank tv sux ass!!------------------
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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 05 2000,21:31
you all suck, american tv rocks. of course i dont really have a basis for this, because i can only compare it to a lack of tv, being as i cant afford to leave the country. i doubt i would if i could though. but you cant say american tv really sucks, because without it you wouldnt have the simpsons, or lots of other shows. the only good show i can think of that isnt made in US was Kids in the Hall...i just realized something, why is it that when people say american, they usually mean US?...technically america is north south and central...are we really that self centered?...i hope not =(
Posted by Cyrino on Jun. 05 2000,22:03
The fact that you created some good shows is true, but also, the fact that US censors butcher movies is also true!! I cannot stand watching a movie on Comedy Central, TBS (Superstation my ass), The Sci-Fi Network or any of your regular networks ie. Fox, CBS, etc. Although, HBO is the one exception, but I suppose that's different. ------------------
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Posted by Kolben on Jun. 06 2000,04:55
Sitiee, what should we call you? USAians??I find it very funny, that they beep out the words. You can easily hear/see what they're saying anyway. I saw the Jerry Springer show once. It sounded like my computer when it crashes. American TV is very low quality! Except the funny cartoons though. I hear that you've got ads and commercials in your movies too. That really sucks.
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 06 2000,06:51
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Originally posted by Sithiee:
i just realized something, why is it that when people say american, they usually mean US?... =(
Maybe it has something to do with the name of the country we live in. You know. The United States of America. Just a thought.
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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 06 2000,21:41
yeah, im sure it does, btu its not like we were the first here...maybe we figure we can get away with it, cause any other american country that tried to change it would get its ass kicked...
Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 07 2000,06:29
there is no other country in the americas that uses any form of the word america in its name. Hence, we are americans.------------------
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Posted by Firefox on Jun. 07 2000,19:47
America is a continent though. People from Europe are called Europeans, right? People from Asia are called Asians, right? People from Africa are often called Africans...But people living in the Americas aren't Americans unless they live in the US. I agree that it dosen't make much sense, if you ask me. But hey, that's the way things are. I agree that there's a lot of crap on US tv. I do like a lot of the specialty channels, though. I like TLC, the History channel, Cartoon Network... A lot of the big networks carry shows I like too. I watch the Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, and the X-Files on Fox. I watch Drew Carey and Spin City on ABC... From my (Canadian) point of view, there is certainly a lot of good shows on the US Networks. I just wish that it wasn't so heavy on the censorship, etc. There is a new show on ABC called "Clerks" (based on the unbelievably funny movie "Clerks" by Kevin Smith). It's good, but in the movie, one of the characters (Jay) swears a ton. It's funny, but the thing is that it's a part of his character. Although it's the same person doing his voice on the TV show, it's just not the same. Heck, I don't think he even says 'ass'. In "Clerks" the movie, he must have had an F-word count of at least 50. -Firefox ------------------------------------------
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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 07 2000,21:08
true that, its not even a tenth as funny when they censor it...when its censored its like a bad japanese sitcom or somethin....very dull and boring...and without the random cussing, randall starts to drone...but also, you have to thank american tv for beavis and butthead. that was simply one of the best tv shows ever. best episode was naturally nose bleed.
Posted by AnimalPrime on Jun. 08 2000,14:37
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Originally posted by Firefox:
America is a continent though. People from Europe are called Europeans, right? People from Asia are called Asians, right? People from Africa are often called Africans...But people living in the Americas aren't Americans unless they live in the US. I agree that it dosen't make much sense, if you ask me. But hey, that's the way things are. -Firefox
Thats cause there is acctually no contnent called america..it is north and south america...ppl from can/us/mex/ect.. are called North Americans ppl from southamerica are subsequently called South Americans ------------------
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Posted by Kolben on Jun. 08 2000,16:12
In Denmark we say the continent called America is the whole "thing". This means North America + South America. And americans are people from USA. Other people we name by their country. Like Brazilians/Canadians/Mexicans/whatever. We don't use the terms North/South Americans. I guess only when talking about your war thing a long time ago, though it seems wrong. Remember the game North & South ??
Posted by Nero on Jun. 08 2000,18:00
censorship sucks big floppy donkey dick. but that's why we have the southpark movie--to cite only one example--and the internet. i have a buddy that had the matrix burned onto two cd's (a bit big for one) the day it came out in theatres. i say he did, though i never watched it from those cds (by which i mean he may be full of shit, but that would be the first time to my knowledge...) 'cause seriously, if you look you can find about everything somewhere on the net. and if you can't find it, someone is just about always willing to post it, if they aren't on a dial up all the time (son--of--a--bitch i hate living in podunk).
Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 08 2000,21:53
i may be missing something, but what the fuck does having the matrix burned on the day it came out have to do with american censorship?
Posted by Proteun on Jun. 09 2000,05:13
What war are you talking about Kolben? The problem I see with America is everyones efforts to please everyone else, thus censorship, and the big go of Political Correctness, there's a group called Dynamite Hack, and in one of their songs they say, "Nigger" but even on the CD it's edited out, because white people shouldn't say nigger, right? Another example, there was a commercial that had a popular song in the background (I can't remember the name) but in the song it says "Play that funky music White Boy" (You know what song i'm talking about) but censorship made them edit out "White Boy" how lame is that? Everyone is just trying to please everyone, fascists.------------------
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Posted by nautilus on Jun. 09 2000,13:32
And has anyone noticed how backward a lot of the censorship on US television is? For example, if someone says "asshole" the leave "ass" and bleep out "hole." I mean, we'd know what they were saying anyway, but that's just absurd. And so often with music the censoring gets so bad you can't even tell what the artist is saying.
Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 09 2000,18:25
i think that there should be a standard for censorship that all cable/broadcast companies must strictly adhere to. there are broadcast channels that curse on shows, and then when they are run on the cable channels (not premium) they bleep out the words. if there was a standard, there would be much less bleeping out in syndications. also, i feel that filming companies should provide censor friendly substitutes for lines in movies, there are far too many movies where the movie gets screwed up because they try to replace the censored word with another one, and its just not believable at all.
Posted by Kolben on Jun. 09 2000,19:02
I don't agree with you on that one Sithiee. You americans should do something about your cencorship. If a movie producer wants the characters to curse, they should be allowed. I think, that you should NEVER try to change the way of making movies in that direction. That wouldn't be fair to the writer. Bleep out the words or what ever in USA, but don't let your cencor trip come down on the countries that don't cencor stuff as much.
Posted by Nero on Jun. 09 2000,20:20
my apologies if the matrix illustration seemed confusing. it was meant to be an example that damn near everything--even movies the day they come out--can be found (uncensored) if you look/ask.i deal with tv very easily. i quit watching it. i watch maybe ten minutes of sportscenter in the mornings and part of whatever game happens to be on if i'm home at night.
Posted by rig_hater on Jun. 10 2000,02:00
censorship sux! i like the ratings system you sometimes see on canadian shows, it tells you at the beginning and after commercial breaks whether or not the show has explicit content (just to warn parents) and then it shows all without any annoying bleeps or scene edits. that's the way it should be - isn't anything else a violation of the right to freedom of speech?!and yes, kids in the hall rocked! it was one of my fave canadian shows. i wish it hadn't been cancelled! ------------------
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Posted by Sithiee on Jun. 10 2000,03:33
kolben, you misunderstood what i was saying. here, when they show movies on tv, and they censor out a word, but they need to have somethign there, they just have some joe schmoe try and say the word in its place. what im saying is, since the makers of the movie know this, they could provide a verson thats been precensored, so the network doesnt have to kill it with bad impersonations. and i agree, censorship sucks, but there is a need for it. i really dont think that little kids need to start cussing as soon as they can talk, or watching porno. i think that cursing is losing its edge, it used to be in movies and such, when someone cursed, it was so rare that it really emphasized whatever was happening, but now i think most people are jaded to it. same with sex, i see so much sex and such on tv, im not sure its really gonna be that exciting when i get some (yes, i admit it, im a virgin)...would you really wanna be jaded to that?..im gonna end this now
Posted by Kolben on Jun. 10 2000,10:06
Ok I get your point. In Denmark we've got a different minimum age for each movie. That age has been set by 10 cencors or so. They see all the movies we import and are doing quite a good job I think. Underage kids can't enter the theatres or rent the movies, as people is quite strict about it here. I don't mind sex in movies. I don't get offended. And I think that cussing is a natural part of a lot of movies. If I got shot in the legs I would curse like hell. I wouldn't go "dang it". I would go "FUUUUUCK YOU ASSHOLE". I with the idea of making an other version of the movie for US TV, but the original version should still be available, for other countries, that allow sax, violins and people cussing.I don't know if you knew this, but actually the movies we get in Denmark are often longer than the ones in USA. This is because they don't cut out the rough parts of the movies. They just raise the minimum age.
Posted by Firefox on Jun. 10 2000,19:27
A big problem with censorship that I see is that it tries to discourage behavior by ignoring it. That's like trying to discourage kids from dangerous sexual behavoir by simply refusing to talk to them about sex or STD's, or anything like that."Gee, maybe if we make sure our kids will never see anyone taking drugs, they will NEVER, EVER think about taking drugs!! That makes sense!!" Quite the contrary, I think. I think that movies like Trainspotting should be shown to kids in Grade 10 or so. Can you think of a better way to give an anti-drug message that will actually stick? I can't remember a single "educational" video from my days of health class or CALM (career and life management), but I still remember some of the twisted shit in that movie. -Firefox
Posted by Nero on Jun. 10 2000,19:45
i get shit at school for saying "bad" words in class. i have to respect my english teacher, she only gets offended my fuck and cunt, nevermind the fact that she let last years class listen to all of adam sandler's medium pace. what really gets me, though is that we can't watch movies if there is too much bad language. are they deaf? do they not listen to the hallways. ever hear what happens when a finger gets slammed in a locker. eh, it's sort of related to censorship.
Posted by Octavian on Jun. 11 2000,05:09
i hereby recant everything i said on this thread. i checked on the "french started canada," and yea, i was wrong. ya got me. about defending american tv, i'm stopping ever since i saw them edit the word "beer". i shit you not. i was watching the list on vh1 (they were doing best rock anthem, i wanted to see how high slts got. fuckers didn't even mention it) when the host started talking about college and said beer. and they edited it. i was extremely pissed, and now i agree with you. after watching tv for a couple of hours straight for the first time in a while, i can say the majority of american tv sucks. about censorship, yeah, it sucks that they edit out every cool scene in the movies on tv, but either see it in the theaters if you care enough, or if it's a song buy/burn/download the uncensored version. ironically, i am listening to dmx while writing this and each song would be about 40 seconds long on the radio, not joking at all. i ripped it, no problems. i'm all for no sex on tv until after 11 or so and free speech. kids hear it anyway, they're going to say it anyway, so why get a bug up your ass about it?
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